1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    12 Mar '12 06:03
    http://dharmagates.org/other_cheek.html
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    13 Mar '12 03:591 edit
    What's your take on this? Are you presenting this link as something you agree with totally,partially, or what?

    Give me answer, then I will check out your link. Deal?
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    13 Mar '12 06:03
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    http://dharmagates.org/other_cheek.html
    Best not to get your cheek slapped in the first place.
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    Who says its the cheek on the face?
  5. Standard memberRJHinds
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    13 Mar '12 09:193 edits
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    What's your take on this? Are you presenting this link as something you agree with totally,partially, or what?

    Give me answer, then I will check out your link. Deal?
    Yes. One must understand the Jewish customs, while living under the
    oppression of the Romans in the first century, and the fact that one is not
    just being struck anywhere.

    P.S. For if he is struck again, there is no rule against striking back. So
    this does not mean someone should not defend himself as ao many assume.
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    13 Mar '12 09:54
    [i]Originally posted by RJHinds[/i

    P.S. For if he is struck again, there is no rule against striking back. So
    this does not mean someone should not defend himself as ao many assume.[/b]
    That's not the emphasis of your link.
  7. Standard memberRJHinds
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    13 Mar '12 13:38
    Originally posted by kevcvs57
    That's not the emphasis of your link.
    I know that is not the emphasis. I was just saying it was not meant to be a
    non-defense policy either.
  8. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    13 Mar '12 13:46
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes. One must understand the Jewish customs, while living under the
    oppression of the Romans in the first century, and the fact that one is not
    just being struck anywhere.

    P.S. For if he is struck again, there is no rule against striking back. So
    this does not mean someone should not defend himself as ao many assume.
    Are you saying we shouldn't defend ourselves?
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    13 Mar '12 14:15
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Are you saying we shouldn't defend ourselves?
    No just the opposite. It seems, practically everyone one this forum has a
    problem with understand the written word.
  10. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    13 Mar '12 14:20
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    No just the opposite. It seems, practically everyone one this forum has a
    problem with understand the written word.
    I had a bit of a problem with that last sentence. I also have a problem with your seemingly paradoxical views, even though in another sense i admit that the universe is an oxymoron.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    No just the opposite. It seems, practically everyone one this forum has a
    problem with understand the written word.
    Everyone but you? See, here we go again with the condesending attitude. This is what turns everyone off to wanting to discuss anything with you and taking you serious.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    http://dharmagates.org/other_cheek.html
    Sounds kind of passive-aggressive, doesn't it?

    And why does Borg leave out the first part of Matthew 5:39?
    39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

    The word resist caught my attention immediately. It reminded me of a certain famous political activist:
    From his deep studies of Gandhi and his own experience, Martin Luther King Jr. developed a list of six facts to help people understand non-violent resistance and join with him in his vision.

    King’s words are as insightful and thought provoking today as they were when he wrote them:

    1. Non-violent resistance is not for cowards. It is not a quiet, passive acceptance of evil. One is passive and non-violent physically, but very active spiritually, always seeking ways to persuade the opponent of advantages to the way of love, cooperation, and peace.

    2. The goal is not to defeat or humiliate the opponent but rather to win him or her over to understanding new ways to create cooperation and community.

    3. The non-violent resister attacks the forces of evil, not the people who are engaged in injustice. As King said in Montgomery, “We are out to defeat injustice and not white persons who may be unjust.”

    4. The non-violent resister accepts suffering without retaliating; accepts violence, but never commits it. Gandhi said, “Rivers of blood may have to flow before we gain our freedom, but it must be our blood.” Gandhi and King both understood that suffering by activists had the mysterious power of converting opponents who would otherwise refuse to listen.

    5. In non-violent resistance, one learns to avoid physical violence toward others and also learns to love the opponents with “agape” or unconditional love–which is love given not for what one will receive in return, but for the sake of love alone. It is God flowing through the human heart. Agape is ahimsa. “Along the way of life, someone must have sense enough and morality enough to cut off the chain of hate,” said King.

    6. Non-violent resistance is based on the belief that the universe is just. There is God or a creative force that is moving us toward universal love and wholeness continually. Therefore, all our work for justice will bear fruit – the fruit of love, peace, and justice for all beings everywhere.”

    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/martin-luther-king-six-facts.html

    It's interesting that King chose the word 'resist' when it is explicitly mentioned by Jesus as something not to do.
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    13 Mar '12 17:28
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes. One must understand the Jewish customs, while living under the
    oppression of the Romans in the first century, and the fact that one is not
    just being struck anywhere.

    P.S. For if he is struck again, there is no rule against striking back. So
    this does not mean someone should not defend himself as ao many assume.
    actually, there is a rule for not striking back. it's called turning the other cheek.

    turn the other cheek does not mean strike back under any interpretation, even really twisted ones.
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    13 Mar '12 17:311 edit
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Sounds kind of passive-aggressive, doesn't it?

    And why does Borg leave out the first part of Matthew 5:39?
    39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

    The word [b]resist
    caught my attention immediately. It reminded me of a certain famous political activist:
    [quote]From his deep studies of Gandhi and his own experience, Martin ing chose the word 'resist' when it is explicitly mentioned by Jesus as something not to do.[/b]
    many christians will try to justify violent behavior in any way they can, even if it means disobeying christ.
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    14 Mar '12 12:15
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I had a bit of a problem with that last sentence. I also have a problem with your seemingly paradoxical views, even though in another sense i admit that the universe is an oxymoron.
    See what I mean. With the addition of one extra letter and you are practically
    dumbfounded. 😏
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