Originally posted by ThinkOfOne Why should you have any expectation that you receive a fair judgement?
In this world? It surprises me that there is the amount of reasonable judgement that there is.... Look around you, how many people claim to know what is the 'right' way to live? How can all of them be right? Which is right, and how many others are deluded? That why I agree with your original statement - the truth will set you free.
Anyway - go on.
Originally posted by snowinscotland In this world? It surprises me that there is the amount of reasonable judgement that there is.... Look around you, how many people claim to know what is the 'right' way to live? How can all of them be right? Which is right, and how many others are deluded? That why I agree with your original statement - the truth will set you free.
Anyway - go on.
Are you saying it would bother you, yet you wouldn't have any expectation of receiving a fair judgement? So what is it that would bother you about not receiving a fair judgement?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne Are you saying it would bother you, yet you wouldn't have any expectation of receiving a fair judgement? So what is it that would bother you about not receiving a fair judgement?
I would expect that somewhere in the midst of all this chaos on average I would be treated not too unfairly. I suppose if I had been in Iraq or Afganistan and was now in Gauntanamo, I would be annoyed that I couldn't even have pretended that I'd have had a fair trial.
On balance, I've been well and poorly treated. To be in prison for a framed murder, as opposed to the 50 Kg of coke I'd smuggled, mmmmmmmm. I'd appeal.
Originally posted by snowinscotland In this world? It surprises me that there is the amount of reasonable judgement that there is.... Look around you, how many people claim to know what is the 'right' way to live? How can all of them be right? Which is right, and how many others are deluded? That why I agree with your original statement - the truth will set you free.
Anyway - go on.
This reads as if you acknowledge that there is a 'truth' that would point to those who actually know the 'right' way to live vs. those who are deluded.
Originally posted by snowinscotland I would expect that somewhere in the midst of all this chaos on average I would be treated not too unfairly. I suppose if I had been in Iraq or Afganistan and was now in Gauntanamo, I would be annoyed that I couldn't even have pretended that I'd have had a fair trial.
On balance, I've been well and poorly treated. To be in prison for a framed murder, as opposed to the 50 Kg of coke I'd smuggled, mmmmmmmm. I'd appeal.
This reads as though you feel that you should have a right to receive a fair trial. Why?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne This reads as though you feel that you should be able to receive a fair trial. Why?
Not really. Some will, some will get off, some are convicted who it is later shown were not culpable of the charge.
The system is setup by fallable humans.
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This reads as if you acknowledge that there is a 'truth' that would point to those who actually know the 'right' way to live vs. those who are deluded.
Well - let's say that self belief is a marvellous thing until it becomes more about how to tell others how to think. Each has to travel the pathway.
Originally posted by snowinscotland Not really. Some will, some will get off, some are convicted who it is later shown were not culpable of the charge.
The system is setup by fallable humans.
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This reads as if you acknowledge that there is a 'truth' that would point to those who actually know the 'right' way to live vs. those who are deluded.
Well - let's say that self belie ...[text shortened]... ntil it becomes more about how to tell others how to think. Each has to travel the pathway.
You must've replied while I was editing the previous post. I changed it to 'have a right to' instead of 'be able to', since you're being so literal about everything.
You've lost me with your second paragraph. I have no idea what that has to do with there being a 'right' way to live. Are you having trouble separating the idea from the implementation?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne You must've replied while I was editing the previous post. I changed it to 'have a right to' instead of 'be able to', since you're being so literal about everything.
You've lost me with your second paragraph. I have no idea what that has to do with there being a 'right' way to live. Are you having trouble separating the concept from the implementation?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne You must've replied while I was editing the previous post. I changed it to 'have a right to' instead of 'be able to', since you're being so literal about everything.
You've lost me with your second paragraph. I have no idea what that has to do with there being a 'right' way to live. Are you having trouble separating the idea from the implementation?
Gets a bit confusing sometimes with these edits etc.
(Forgive me for being literal. I have a background that includes validation; where you have to say exactly what is and is not, or you are assuming and all sorts of things go wrong. eg people get hurt)
Let's take it that I think it would be preferable to get a fair trial. Can you develop your point from there?
Originally posted by snowinscotland Gets a bit confusing sometimes with these edits etc.
(Forgive me for being literal. I have a background that includes validation; where you have to say exactly what is and is not, or you are assuming and all sorts of things go wrong. eg people get hurt)
Let's take it that I think it would be preferable to get a fair trial. Can you develop your point from there?
Originally posted by snowinscotland Am I being too realistic?
What was the choice of words...
I would expect a 'right' to a fair trial......
Ideally you would be judged justly. Ideally everyone would be judged justly. Do you picture any time in the past, present or future where this wouldn't be the ideal?
The truth will set you free
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