1. Cape Town
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    10 Sep '16 13:39
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    So why claim they are non-Christians?
    You misunderstood his post. He was listing what people say, not what they are.
  2. PenTesting
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    10 Sep '16 15:15
    So far we have a bunch of Christians asking me if I sin, as if that is relevant to the opening post. Whether I sin, or you sin or anyone sins is of no value to this discussion. However I did answer .. Yes I sin. How does that add value to the topic, or how does my answer blow my argument to pieces ???

    Anyway all those who responded with irrelevant quesions / comments, I know why you did that ... you cannot deal with the topic. I get it.
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    10 Sep '16 15:26
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    NO. I am subject to sin. I do not claim to be saved eternally.
    I await the righteous judgment of Jesus Christ.

    Many Christian do not do that. Instead they claim to be saved and to have eternal life already.

    Do you care to comment on the passages in the opening post.
    "The death of Jesus Christ cleansed ALL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD of the curse of the sin of Adam. It makes no difference whether or not they believe. This sacrifice of His Son Jesus, was Gods free gift to mankind. Nobody had to work for it neither were they worthy of it."

    So if it is a done deal, why wait for judgment if it is settled according to...you?
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    10 Sep '16 15:37
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    "The death of Jesus Christ cleansed ALL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD of the curse of the sin of Adam. It makes no difference whether or not they believe. This sacrifice of His Son Jesus, was Gods free gift to mankind. Nobody had to work for it neither were they worthy of it."

    So if it is a done deal, why wait for judgment if it is settled according to...you?
    Ok Im done talking to you.
  5. Standard memberKellyJay
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    10 Sep '16 15:41
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Ok Im done talking to you.
    You are such a joke, you spew lies by twisting the scriptures into things they do not say and
    as soon as you are confronted with the issues you create by your misunderstanding once
    again you run off.
  6. PenTesting
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    10 Sep '16 15:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    You are such a joke, you spew lies by twisting the scriptures into things they do not say and
    as soon as you are confronted with the issues you create by your misunderstanding once
    again you run off.
    If you notice I am the one providing scripture to support doctrine.

    So far you have done nothing.

    It is not me thats the joke pal.
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    10 Sep '16 16:16
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    If you notice I am the one providing scripture to support doctrine.

    So far you have done nothing.

    It is not me thats the joke pal.
    Sure you are, because I am not arguing with scripture, just they way you are suggesting
    it means.
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    10 Sep '16 16:27
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    You didn't. You said 'NO. I am subject to sin.'

    (Am supporting you due to my capricious nature).
    I dont think its your capricious nature. I think you like the truth and fairness when discussing these matters.
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    10 Sep '16 16:35
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I dont think its your capricious nature. I think you like the truth and fairness when discussing these matters.
    Well spotted. 😉
  10. Standard memberFetchmyjunk
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    10 Sep '16 17:501 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    It appears that some Christians have abdicated their position as sons of God, by ignoring the call to righteousness and condoning a life of sin. The warnings against this course of action are serious

    [i]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, ...[text shortened]... ut committing sin
    - righteousness is not necessary.

    Where to they get these doctrines from?
    If faith in Jesus is not essential for salvation, and an atheist can get into Heaven, why are you a Christian and not an atheist?
  11. PenTesting
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    10 Sep '16 18:45
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    If faith in Jesus is not essential for salvation, and an atheist can get into Heaven, why are you a Christian and not an atheist?
    If there was a prize for the dumbest questions on this forum you would win it hands down.
  12. Standard memberFetchmyjunk
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    10 Sep '16 18:59
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    If there was a prize for the dumbest questions on this forum you would win it hands down.
    Is it dumb because you can't answer it?
  13. Standard memberKellyJay
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    10 Sep '16 18:59
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    If there was a prize for the dumbest questions on this forum you would win it hands down.
    Yeah, and still you don't answer.
  14. PenTesting
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    10 Sep '16 19:01
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yeah, and still you don't answer.
    Do you have a reference that says that Jesus died for all sins?
    If you do then please provide it ... thank you.
  15. PenTesting
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    10 Sep '16 19:06
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    Is it dumb because you can't answer it?
    I dont ask personal questions neither do I answer them.
    They have no bearing on a Bible discussion.

    I never ask anyone why they are an atheist or why they are Christian.

    The fact that you and many Christians cannot carry on a discussion of Bible topics without asking personal questions says to me that you are lacking in basic social etiquette and you are failure at defending what doctrines you believe.
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