Originally posted by @fmfI don't need to forgive them. They have not trespassed against me. Neither has Suzi trespassed against me. They trespass against God.
Do you forgive homosexuals for engaging in sexual relationships? Do you forgive Suzianne for being more tolerant and forgiving of homosexuals than you appear to be?
Originally posted by @eladarHow thoughtful, but this thread is asking if those words would matter if Jesus did NOT exist.
I figured a thread about Jesus' words should contain Jesus' words.
Your reply earlier was that not only does it matter that Jesus existed, but that He is God too. Maybe non-trinitarians would disagree with you.
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Originally posted by @chaney3
Thanks KellyJay.
I am trying to figure out if anyone other than ThinkOfOne thinks that the words of Jesus would matter.....without Jesus.
I am having much trouble with that 'rogue theory', as I call it.
John 6.
63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life
It's the words that "are spirit and are life".
"God is reaching down to man to lift him up" via the words and the concepts behind the words.
"Accept[ing] Him into their lives" entails being true to the words and the concepts behind the words. .
Originally posted by @eladarHas John McCain trespassed against you? And if so, have you forgiven him?
Matthew 6
14 For if you forgive [h]others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive [i]others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
Originally posted by @thinkofone"The words I have spoken" (said by Jesus).
John 6
63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; [b]the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
It's the words that "are spirit and are life".
"God is reaching down to man to lift him up" via the words and the concepts behind the words.
"Accept[ing] Him into their lives" entails being true to the words and the concepts behind the words. .[/b]
How can you possibly quote Jesus? If He didn't exist, then His words are meaningless.
Originally posted by @chaney3How can they be "meaningless" when it's the words that "are spirit and are life"?
"The words I have spoken" (said by Jesus).
How can you possibly quote Jesus? If He didn't exist, then His words are meaningless.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI think you are wrong here.
How can they be "meaningless" when it's the words that "are spirit and are life"?
If Bob is really the guy who wrote these words, and Jesus was a lie, then the words are a lie.
Why will you NOT understand what I am saying?
Originally posted by @eladarYes I mean expressing hatred. I can't ever remember you talking about homosexuals in a 'they shouldn't play on the freeway kind of way'. Are you confident you always embody the intended spirit of "the words of Jesus" here. For example, do you love John McCain even as you wish he dies soon?
Expressing truth is hatred? Telling someone not to play on the freeway is hatred?
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Originally posted by @chaney3You are illogically conflating the existence of Jesus with the truth of the words attributed to Him.
I think you are wrong here.
If Bob is really the guy who wrote these words, and Jesus was a lie, then the words are a lie.
Why will you NOT understand what I am saying?
Just as it would be illogical to conflate the existence of Albert Einstein with the truth of the words attributed to him.
You seemed to understand this and then you subsequently seemed unable to separate the existence of the person from the words attributed to the person. The words and the concepts behind the words exist even without the person.
From what I can tell, this is because you still buy into the mythology even though you find the mythology "absurd".