Originally posted by @chaney3For someone who finds the mythology wrapped around the words of Jesus "absurd", you somehow still seem to be buying into it.
I find it hard to believe that if you remove Jesus from the equation, that the words attributed to Him would have the same merit. This would also remove the crucifixion and resurrection.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIt's this 'rogue theory' that's bugging me.
For someone who finds the mythology wrapped around the words of Jesus "absurd", you somehow still seem to be buying into it.
Let's at least agree upon the existence of Jesus before we decide if we will follow His teachings.
Originally posted by @chaney3It's this 'rogue theory' that's bugging me.
It's this 'rogue theory' that's bugging me.
Let's at least agree upon the existence of Jesus before we decide if we will follow His teachings.
Do you mean because it's a "rogue theory" or something else?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneBecause I cannot figure out why you think it's okay if it were determined that Jesus never existed, and yet, would place any real value on words that are not His.
[b]It's this 'rogue theory' that's bugging me.
Do you mean because it's a "rogue theory" or something else?[/b]
Do you understand? They would NOT be His words, but words of fiction.
Originally posted by @chaney3You didn't answer this when I posted it in the other thread. Can you answer it now?
Because I cannot figure out why you think it's okay if it were determined that Jesus never existed, and yet, would place any real value on words that are not His.
Do you understand? They would NOT be His words, but words of fiction.
Let's say that Albert Einstein never existed. Let's also say that a group of physicists worked out the theory of relativity and had published it under the name "Albert Einstein".
Would the theory of relativity be any less relevant?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNo, the theory would not be less relevant. But here's the difference:
You didn't answer this when I posted it in the other thread. Can you answer it now?Let's say that Albert Einstein never existed. Let's also say that a group of physicists worked out the theory of relativity and had published it under the name "Albert Einstein".
Would the theory of relativity be any less relevant?
The words and teachings of Jesus were personal. It involves a relationship between a person, Jesus and God. If you remove Jesus, and insert some guy named Bob, it loses its meaning, because Jesus Himself was relevant to what He was saying, unlike Einstein and his theory.
Originally posted by @chaney3So you understand that it's the words and the concepts behind the words that are of importance.
No, the theory would not be less relevant. But here's the difference:
The words and teachings of Jesus were personal. It involves a relationship between a person, Jesus and God. If you remove Jesus, and insert some guy named Bob, it loses its meaning, because Jesus Himself was relevant to what He was saying, unlike Einstein and his theory.
You didn't respond to this when I posted it in the other thread. Can you answer it now?
Jesus wanted His followers to become "one" with God as He was "one" with God. That was the "relationship". What do you think it means to be "one" with God?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIf I didn't answer it, it's because it doesn't make sense.
So you understand that it's the words and the concepts behind the words that are of importance.
You didn't respond to this when I posted it in the other thread. Can you answer it now?Jesus wanted His followers to become "one" with God as He was "one" with God. That was the "relationship". What do you think it means to be "one" with God?
If it's determined that Jesus never existed, then anything that starts with "Jesus wanted", or "Jesus said", becomes in itself irrelevant.
HIS words have no merit without Him.
Originally posted by @chaney3Just as Albert Einstein's words have no merit without him?
If I didn't answer it, it's because it doesn't make sense.
If it's determined that Jesus never existed, then anything that starts with "Jesus wanted", or "Jesus said", becomes in itself irrelevant.
HIS words have no merit without Him.
Originally posted by @chaney3I am impressed chaney3, its all about Jesus and there are those that accept Him into their
If I didn't answer it, it's because it doesn't make sense.
If it's determined that Jesus never existed, then anything that starts with "Jesus wanted", or "Jesus said", becomes in itself irrelevant.
HIS words have no merit without Him.
lives, and I mean that quite literally. Without the Son, you don't get the Father.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThanks KellyJay.
I am impressed chaney3, its all about Jesus and there are those that accept Him into their
lives, and I mean that quite literally. Without the Son, you don't get the Father.
I am trying to figure out if anyone other than ThinkOfOne thinks that the words of Jesus would matter.....without Jesus.
I am having much trouble with that 'rogue theory', as I call it.
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Originally posted by @chaney3Its an empty faith that goes no higher than mankind's happy thoughts.
Thanks KellyJay.
I am trying to figure out if anyone other than ThinkOfOne thinks that the words of Jesus would matter.....without Jesus.
I am having much trouble with that 'rogue theory', as I call it.
While Jesus being the Son of God means God is reaching down to man to lift him up.
Originally posted by @eladarWhat is the relevance of this post?
Matthew 6
14 For if you forgive [h]others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive [i]others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
Please explain.
Originally posted by @eladarDo you forgive homosexuals for engaging in sexual relationships? Do you forgive Suzianne for being more tolerant and forgiving of homosexuals than you appear to be?
Matthew 6
14 For if you forgive [h]others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive [i]others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.