they can dish it but...?

Originally posted by timebombted
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Fishing again to blurt your “science is faith” crap?

How long are you going to repeat this rubbish? Belief from a scientist’s point of view is based on statistical significance / evidence / reasoning / repetition / testable predictions. Whereas belief in an imaginary friend, a.k.a "god”, requires faith with absolutely none of the above.

It is not comparable.

Oh really? How does one arrive at a conclusion of a belief? Is there not first data gathering and then an interpretation of that data? I mean, if you go out an find a bunch of bones that are X number of years old what does that tell you? Does it tell you that the earth has a skeleton that is X number of years old? No, you must interpret the data that you have been given based upon other data that you have been given, such as skeletons come from living animals, and then peice them all together into an interpretive conclusion.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm asking why, yes! If the rules are made up as we go to suit us why
should anyone do what you think is best?
Kelly

Ah the old 'rules must come from god or we descend into anarchy' ploy. Really, haven't you heard enough on this forum and seen enough in your life to recognise that it is actually possible to live according to rules other than those laid down by a god.
Biologists often talk about the benefits to a species of altruism - that is, many animals (including us humans) do things for each other than don't necessarily immediately benefit ourselves. We don't and other animals don't, need a god to tell us this.
Get over it Kelly.
Use the bible as your reference on ethics and values if you like, but not all of us need to.

Originally posted by whodey
Oh really? How does one arrive at a conclusion of a belief? Is there not first data gathering and then an interpretation of that data? I mean, if you go out an find a bunch of bones that are X number of years old what does that tell you? Does it tell you that the earth has a skeleton that is X number of years old? No, you must interpret the data that you ...[text shortened]... tons come from living animals, and then peice them all together into an interpretive conclusion.

Exactly! The belief has been formed via an information / evidence gathering process, not a belief formed by blind faith. Thank you for enhancing my point.

Originally posted by timebombted
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Fishing again to blurt your “science is faith” crap?

How long are you going to repeat this rubbish? Belief from a scientist’s point of view is based on statistical significance / evidence / reasoning / repetition / testable predictions. Whereas belief in an imaginary friend, a.k.a "god”, requires faith with absolutely none of the above.

It is not comparable.

I don't say that science is faith, if you would use your ability to read
instead of mind reading you'd see that.
Kelly

Originally posted by amannion
Ah the old 'rules must come from god or we descend into anarchy' ploy. Really, haven't you heard enough on this forum and seen enough in your life to recognise that it is actually possible to live according to rules other than those laid down by a god.
Biologists often talk about the benefits to a species of altruism - that is, many animals (including us h ...[text shortened]... e the bible as your reference on ethics and values if you like, but not all of us need to.

If the rules don't come from a source that we are all required to obey
I'd say it is up to everyone to figure it out for themselvers. Which
means that what you think is just, does not have to be the same rules
I go by, or the other way around. If you have some X that binds us all
to some 'rule' please share what your X is.
Kelly

Originally posted by timebombted
Exactly! The belief has been formed via an information / evidence gathering process, not a belief formed by blind faith. Thank you for enhancing my point.

Who has blind faith?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If the rules don't come from a source that we are all required to obey
I'd say it is up to everyone to figure it out for themselvers. Which
means that what you think is just, does not have to be the same rules
I go by, or the other way around. If you have some X that binds us all
to some 'rule' please share what your X is.
Kelly

I call my X ... society.
I'll say it really slow so you might understand ... so ..cie ... ty!
We don't live in a freakin' vacuum. You and I, and everyone else we know, lives in social groups - families, towns, cities, nations, etc.
We don't all have different rules because we live together with other people and so we share rules.

Originally posted by amannion
I call my X ... society.
I'll say it really slow so you might understand ... so ..cie ... ty!
We don't live in a freakin' vacuum. You and I, and everyone else we know, lives in social groups - families, towns, cities, nations, etc.
We don't all have different rules because we live together with other people and so we share rules.

Okay, you said it really slow.
Since your so smart maybe you can tell me who speaks for all of
society that we have to obey them? Is it a Borg thing where the group
thought process comes across we can all glean what is good and bad?
If I'm not mistaken NY seems to be a big city is there a group think
tank in it that everyone agrees with and goes along with?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, you said it really slow.
Since your so smart maybe you can tell me who speaks for all of
society that we have to obey them? Is it a Borg thing where the group
thought process comes across we can all glean what is good and bad?
If I'm not mistaken NY seems to be a big city is there a group think
tank in it that everyone agrees with and goes along with?
Kelly

LOL ... you truly are an idiot.
By living in a place you accept the rules of that place.
It's not rocket science.

I live in Australia.
I accept the values and ethics that are typical of Australian society. I was brought up in this society and I agree with this society and so I live in this society.
If I disagree I can:

1. leave
2. try to change the society
3. act contrary to the rules of the society and suffer the consequences

Originally posted by amannion
LOL ... you truly are an idiot.
By living in a place you accept the rules of that place.
It's not rocket science.

I live in Australia.
I accept the values and ethics that are typical of Australian society. I was brought up in this society and I agree with this society and so I live in this society.
If I disagree I can:

1. leave
2. try to change the society
3. act contrary to the rules of the society and suffer the consequences

So everyone in Australia holds to the same standards of ethics and
morals. Wow, over here we debate things like does everyone
believe in sex outside of marriage, marriage in general, abortion,
or a number of other things we debate from time to time?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
So everyone in Australia holds to the same standards of ethics and
morals. Wow, over here we debate things like does everyone
believe in sex outside of marriage, marriage in general, abortion,
or a number of other things we debate from time to time?
Kelly

Should I emphasise point 2 of my list?

If I disagree with society's view I can change it. I'd assumed you would understand that changing social views means debating and arguing and all the rest of that stuff.

Oh well, you know what they say when you make an assumption.
You make an ass out of u and umption.
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Originally posted by KellyJay
Who has blind faith?
Kelly

Those who believe in god have blind faith, no different than those who believe in santa claus, the boogey man, spaghetti monster, tooth fairy, imaginery friend etc etc. Its interesting that when you progress beyond childhood years you stop believing in things that have no credit....... interesting that people persist with god.

Science is not blind faith, to repeat again (I'm typing this slowly for you KJ) science only explains through evidence, testing, statistical significance, repetition etc etc no blind faith required.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't say that science is faith, if you would use your ability to read
instead of mind reading you'd see that.
Kelly

So you have never said faith is involved in science? Interesting...... I think it is you sir that needs to use your ability to read and also the ability to remember what you have previously posted.

You continually try to convince us that science requires faith. Anyone who remotely understands science will tell you there is no place for faith in science, only evidence.

Originally posted by amannion
Should I emphasise point 2 of my list?

If I disagree with society's view I can change it. I'd assumed you would understand that changing social views means debating and arguing and all the rest of that stuff.

Oh well, you know what they say when you make an assumption.
You make an ass out of u and umption.
😉

I bet umption gets sick and tired of how we treat him/her here! 🙂
Kelly

Originally posted by timebombted
So you have never said faith is involved in science? Interesting...... I think it is you sir that needs to use your ability to read and also the ability to remember what you have previously posted.

You continually try to convince us that science requires faith. Anyone who remotely understands science will tell you there is no place for faith in science, only evidence.

What are you accusing me of, saying science is faith, or that there is
a level of faith in science, make up your mind?
Kelly