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Spirituality

  1. 09 Jun '18 21:57
    When is it okay to break this commandment?

    Abortion?
    War?
    Self defense?

    Does our society rationalize killing to make it okay, despite what the Bible says?
  2. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    09 Jun '18 22:11
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    When is it okay to break this commandment?

    Abortion?
    War?
    Self defense?

    Does our society rationalize killing to make it okay, despite what the Bible says?
    Jesus went as far as saying hate in your heart.
  3. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    09 Jun '18 22:24
    Self-defense is not murder, so scratch that one.
    Killing someone in an opposing army is a huge grey area with endless context and nuance
  4. 09 Jun '18 22:35
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Self-defense is not murder, so scratch that one.
    Killing someone in an opposing army is a huge grey area with endless context and nuance
    Does the Bible, or God, give wiggle room for this 'grey area', or is killing just wrong, as stated in the commandment, and it's society rationalizing to justify it?

    And abortion?
    Biblically wrong or women's rights?
  5. 09 Jun '18 22:39
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Does the Bible, or God, give wiggle room for this 'grey area', or is killing just wrong, as stated in the commandment, and it's society rationalizing to justify it?

    And abortion?
    Biblically wrong or women's rights?
    The Bible is what it is. The Bible is steeped in metaphor, is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. As such, there is no alternative to picking and choosing what parts to believe. Those who claim that they do not pick and choose are disingenuous at best. In effect, they use the Bible to create God in their own image.
  6. 09 Jun '18 22:50
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    The Bible is what it is. The Bible is steeped in metaphor, is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. As such, there is no alternative to picking and choosing what parts to believe. Those who claim that they do not pick and choose are disingenuous at best. In effect, they use the Bible to create God in their own image.
    I can understand your point.

    After that commandment was given, there's endless war and killing laid out in the Bible, seemingly okay with God, with God choosing a side to win.
  7. 09 Jun '18 22:55
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    I can understand your point.

    After that commandment was given, there's endless war and killing laid out in the Bible, seemingly okay with God, with God choosing a side to win.
    By contrast the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, by and large is reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself.
  8. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    09 Jun '18 23:38
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Does the Bible, or God, give wiggle room for this 'grey area', or is killing just wrong, as stated in the commandment, and it's society rationalizing to justify it?

    And abortion?
    Biblically wrong or women's rights?
    I left abortion off my commentary because it belongs on the no-no list imo
  9. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    09 Jun '18 23:51
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    When is it okay to break this commandment?

    Abortion?
    War?
    Self defense?

    Does our society rationalize killing to make it okay, despite what the Bible says?
    "
    Don't do anything I wouldn't ... unless you can do it very well."

    I think this sums it up for me
  10. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    09 Jun '18 23:52
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    When is it okay to break this commandment?

    Abortion?
    War?
    Self defense?

    Does our society rationalize killing to make it okay, despite what the Bible says?
    Murdering and torturing serial paedophiles is ok, imo
  11. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    10 Jun '18 02:47
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Self-defense is not murder, so scratch that one.
    The OP did not mention murder.
    So scratch that.
  12. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    10 Jun '18 02:50
    It's funny that throughout history both sides have prayed to god for victory, read
    prayers over their dead and generally celebrated the brave going to heaven.

    It's almost as if religions were created by authority for the purpose of war .... 😀
  13. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    10 Jun '18 04:08
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    Murdering and torturing serial paedophiles is ok, imo
    No due process? Are you sure? And what would be the purpose of torturing them?
  14. 10 Jun '18 05:32
    Originally posted by @fmf
    No due process? Are you sure? And what would be the purpose of torturing them?
    What torture?

    Are we back to the tired "God tortures people" tripe?

    You know the position is clear:

    - Justice is meted out.
    - Some people, due to their own actions, receive punishment.

    Are you suggesting that negative actions do not deserve negative consequences?
  15. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    10 Jun '18 05:34
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    The OP did not mention murder.
    So scratch that.
    The commandment is thou shalt not murder.