1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    21 Oct '17 18:58
    There are two large groups of people here, not in any order that matters.

    Those that believe God when He says:

    Genesis 2:17
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Those who believe this:

    Genesis 3:4
    And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


    One is a lie, the other not.
  2. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    21 Oct '17 20:02
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    There are two large groups of people here, not in any order that matters.

    Those that believe God when He says:

    Genesis 2:17
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Those who believe this:

    Genesis 3:4
    And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


    One is a lie, the other not.
    There is of course a third group that believe neither. (Both coming as they do from a fictional book).
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    21 Oct '17 20:19
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    There is of course a third group that believe neither. (Both coming as they do from a fictional book).
    Yes, so their feet are firmly in one camp as well.
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    21 Oct '17 20:51
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Yes, so their feet are firmly in one camp as well.
    How could an atheist be in either camp?
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    21 Oct '17 20:55
    Originally posted by @stellspalfie
    How could an atheist be in either camp?
    The goups are those who believe God and those who don't.

    The reason for not believing God is not needed.

    Atheists would be part of those who do not agree.
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    21 Oct '17 20:59
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    There is of course a third group that believe neither. (Both coming as they do from a fictional book).
    There is a fourth group, who reject false dichotomies.
  7. Standard memberKellyJay
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    21 Oct '17 21:02
    Originally posted by @velns
    There is a fourth group, who reject false dichotomies.
    It doesn't matter what lie you believe, it still puts you into one camp firmly.
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    21 Oct '17 21:37
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    There are two large groups of people here, not in any order that matters.

    Those that believe God when He says:

    Genesis 2:17
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Those who believe this:

    Genesis 3:4
    And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


    One is a lie, the other not.
    Which do you think is the lie then?
    I believe both are lies because there is no such thing as a
    tree of knowledge and no such thing as a talking serpent.

    Which don't you believe?
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    22 Oct '17 00:52
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    It doesn't matter what lie you believe, it still puts you into one camp firmly.
    While you may not agree with the claim, do you think it's fair and reasonable discourse to claim that you believe a "lie" too and dismiss it for that reason?
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    22 Oct '17 01:18
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    There are two large groups of people here, not in any order that matters.

    Those that believe God when He says:

    Genesis 2:17
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Those who believe this:

    Genesis 3:4
    And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


    One is a lie, the other not.
    Go back a bit further, and you cover all of them, those who question if God said as well as if God is.

    “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

    At the end of the day, the definition of 'is' really is 'is.'
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    22 Oct '17 07:48
    Originally posted by @velns
    There is a fourth group, who reject false dichotomies.
    And a fifth group who just get on with the business of living, before shuffling off this mortal coil..
  12. Standard memberKellyJay
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    22 Oct '17 13:57
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    And a fifth group who just get on with the business of living, before shuffling off this mortal coil..
    We all do that regardless of what camp we fall in, what occurs after that shuffling off this
    mortal coil is sealed once that occurs.
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    22 Oct '17 14:09
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    We all do that regardless of what camp we fall in, what occurs after that shuffling off this
    mortal coil is sealed once that occurs.
    Not 'all' sir. Religion often functions as the 'opium of the masses' (Marx) and tells those in poverty and hardship to accept their lot in life and wait for their reward in the hereafter. (Thus maintaining the status quo of suffering and inequality).
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    22 Oct '17 14:20
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Not 'all' sir. Religion often functions as the 'opium of the masses' (Marx) and tells those in poverty and hardship to accept their lot in life and wait for their reward in the hereafter. (Thus maintaining the status quo of suffering and inequality).
    People like Marx and yourself like to blame others and do nothing yourself. You are warm and dry and eat and play on the internet while others suffer.

    You then blame religion and continue on not helping others.
  15. Standard memberKellyJay
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    22 Oct '17 14:24
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Not 'all' sir. Religion often functions as the 'opium of the masses' (Marx) and tells those in poverty and hardship to accept their lot in life and wait for their reward in the hereafter. (Thus maintaining the status quo of suffering and inequality).
    Actually the reward starts in this life, and people do tend to use religion to control, not at
    all denying that. They also use government and any other thing possible. Those that
    are only looking for God in the here after, more than likely don't know Him now

    He is our great reward, there is nothing better than a relationship with Him. That only
    comes when we answer His call upon our lives, everything else, is less than.
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