Originally posted by robbie carrobieso if an erotic thought about a guy pops into my head and im turned on. did i deliberately make the thought pop into my head? id i deliberately choose to be turned on?
that is easy, through a deliberate or non deliberate act. You may say to Mrs Palfie, 'I am sorry i did not mean to be dogmatic', and perhaps you did not actually mean to be dogmatic it was simply a reaction, then again, you may run away with the milkman and say, 'Goodbye Mrs Palfie I am leaving you forever!', a deliberate and heinous act of betrayal.
Originally posted by stellspalfieFamily Research Council has studies on that:
using your fantastic existentialist musings. do this also mean that you are equally capable of being pedophile and not being a pedophile?
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
Originally posted by sonshipyes i raised this very point with regard to the catholic churches abuse of minors in which the vast majority of the cases concerned the molestation of boys in homosexual acts.
Family Research Council has studies on that:
[b] Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES[/b]
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit su ...[text shortened]... on (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
Originally posted by sonshipAndy: I have no enemies here.
Family Research Council has studies on that:
[b] Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES[/b]
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit su ...[text shortened]... on (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
Red: Yeah? Wait a while. Word gets around. The Sisters have taken quite a likin' to you. Especially Boggs.
Andy: I don't suppose it would help if I told them that I'm not homosexual.
Red: Neither are they. You have to be human first. They don't qualify.
Originally posted by sonshipSkewed results
Family Research Council has studies on that:
[b] Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
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1. Paedophiles do not choose their victims according to their own sexuality, thus a heterosexual male may abuse a boy based on ease rather than gender.
2. Paedophiles are aroused by children rather than any gender.
3. Many (most?) paedophiles have been victims themselves and are repeating behaviour - hence same sex offences.
Unless you can show a link between homosexuals (that is men who have adult-adult relationships with other men) and paedophilia you should shut up.
Originally posted by sonshipdare i ask in what way does this relate to the debate? are you suggesting that gay men shouldnt be able to adopt based on these stats (not that i agree with them, but ill play along for a bit). if so do you feel all demographics that pose a significant risk to children should be banned from access to children..........or do you only apply these conditions to homosexuals?
Family Research Council has studies on that:
[b] Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES[/b]
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit su ...[text shortened]... on (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
Originally posted by sonshipThe following should shed light on the credibility of the Family Research Council. Why cite such a disreputable source?
Family Research Council has studies on that:
[b] Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse:
www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3#edn22.
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES[/b]
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit su ...[text shortened]... on (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
I went up against Tony Perkins, the head of the hard-line anti-gay group Family Research Council (FRC), on MSNBC’s “Hardball with Chris Matthews” last night....
After I noted the FRC’s long record of associating gay men with pedophilia — a spurious allegation that has been roundly rejected by relevant scientific authorities including the American Psychological Association — Perkins responded, in part, by citing what sounded like a respectable medical professional association.
“If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children,” Perkins said. “So Mark is wrong. He needs to go back and do his own research.”
Was I wrong? Perhaps the more relevant question is this: What is the American College of Pediatricians?
One thing it’s not is the similarly named 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatrics, the professional association of most American pediatricians and the publisher of the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics.
In fact, the American College of Pediatricians is a tiny group of doctors who broke away from the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2002 because the latter group supported LGBT parental rights. The American College of Pediatricians, believed to now have about 200 members, explicitly demands, as a condition of membership, that would-be joiners “hold true to the group’s core beliefs … [including] that the traditional family unit, headed by an opposite-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children.”
The group Perkins cited as authoritative has come under repeated attack by real scientific authorities. After it published Facts About Youth last spring, both the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association described the booklet as non-factual. Several individual researchers — including Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health — said the handbook misrepresented their findings. “It is disturbing to me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality,” Collins wrote. “The information they present is misleading and incorrect.”
In other words, the American College of Pediatricians, despite its erudite name, is akin to the fake environmental front groups some energy corporations have set up to make dubious claims about the non-existence of global warming....
The American Psychological Association, for example, says in a policy statement that “homosexual men are not more likely to abuse children than heterosexual men are.”
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/11/30/tony-perkins-defends-family-research-council-sort-of/
I have not read through all of the posts in this thread. It may be that some of us have a brain disposition toward being homosexual, but to have sex with someone is our choice.
We choose to have sex to whomever we choose and even to whatever we choose. It doesn't matter whether we are heterosexual or not. Personally, I am not sure that God condemns a person for being homosexual inside their minds, but God does blame us for fornication, adultery, and bestiality.
King James Version
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Mathew 15: 19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
I Corinthians 6: 18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Mark 10: 19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Matthew 5: 32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Romans 1: 26, 27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Leviticus 20: 15
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Originally posted by wolfgang591. Pedophiles may choose their victims according to their own sexuality and thus a homosexual pedophile may target boys specifically.
Skewed results
1. Paedophiles do not choose their victims according to their own sexuality, thus a heterosexual male may abuse a boy based on ease rather than gender.
2. Paedophiles are aroused by children rather than any gender.
3. Many (most?) paedophiles have been victims themselves and are repeating behaviour - hence same sex offences.
Un ...[text shortened]... at is men who have adult-adult relationships with other men) and paedophilia you should shut up.
2. Homosexual males may and probably are more likely to be aroused by boys
3. Whether they are victims or not is not the issue, that actual issue is one of disparity, that is the percentage of homosexual men in correlation to the population as a whole in comparison to the percentage of homosexual acts perpetrated on male minors in correlation to the overall figure for acts of depravity perpetrated against children as a whole.
4. Unless you can state that homosexual tendencies are absolutely not the motivational factor in the acts of pedophilia against male minors than you musty entertain the fact that they can and may very well be the motivational factor! and may quite possibly be the reason for the disparity that quite obviously does exist.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1. no
1. Pedophiles may choose their victims according to their own sexuality and thus a homosexual pedophile may target boys specifically.
2. Homosexual males may and probably are more likely to be aroused by boys
3. Whether they are victims or not is not the issue, that actual issue is one of disparity, that is the percentage of homosexual men in c ...[text shortened]... factor! and may quite possibly be the reason for the disparity that quite obviously does exist.
2. As a heterosexual male are you aroused by little girls?
3. I'm disputing the data (ie definition of homosexuality)
as well as the conclusions.
4. I am not the accuser. If you propose that homosexuals
are more likely to be pedophiles then provide a basis for
that extraordinary claim.
Originally posted by wolfgang591. yes, its entirely plausible that it happens
1. no
2. As a heterosexual male are you aroused by little girls?
3. I'm disputing the data (ie definition of homosexuality)
as well as the conclusions.
4. I am not the accuser. If you propose that homosexuals
are more likely to be pedophiles then provide a basis for
that extraordinary claim.
2. the question is not about me and i resent your attempts to make it so, I am not aroused by little girls no but thats does not mean that others are not, or that homosexuals are not aroused by little boys, does it, your argument is therefore a logical fallacy.
3. You can dispute it all you like, you have failed to make any reasonable explanation for the disparity
4. Its not about you and no there is no onus on me to provide anything, jaywill has already done that. Its up to you to prove that homosexual tendencies absolutely rule out the reasons for the disparity and i don't think you can.
Originally posted by SwissGambitWe all wish it were just a Hollywood thing.
Andy: I have no enemies here.
Red: Yeah? Wait a while. Word gets around. The Sisters have taken quite a likin' to you. Especially Boggs.
Andy: I don't suppose it would help if I told them that I'm not homosexual.
Red: Neither are they. You have to be human first. They don't qualify.
Unfortunately it isn't.
We choose to have sex to whomever we choose and even to whatever we choose. It doesn't matter whether we are heterosexual or not. Personally, I am not sure that God condemns a person for being homosexual inside their minds, but God does blame us for fornication, adultery, and bestiality.
There is merit in your observation. For one thing not all the thoughts that pass through our minds actually originate with us. However, like a house with busted down walls or broken or unlocked doors, some entrance into our minds is there because of a need for repair. We furnished a way for evil thoughts to be sometime injected into our minds.
The older folks use to say "You can't stop a bird from flying over your head. But you can stop it from making a nest in your hair."
Secondly, I agree with you that it is the actions which land the sinner in deeper trouble. But because we tolerate some inner thoughts to reside in our minds we are exceedingly vulnerable to the sinful action of the members of the body latter.
In light of that I will comment on each of your verses:
King James Version
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Mathew 15: 19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
The defiling actions could only proceed from the seed or germ of the thought life. So Jesus was so emphatic about the need for the inner motive to be dealt with at any cost.
This requires thorough sanctification of His Spirit within the psychological part of man that the source be dealt with, being swallowed up by His divine nature. Peter pioneered and explained the process -
" ... He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption of the world by lust." (2 Peter 1:4)
PARTAKERS - of the divine nature.
I Corinthians 6: 18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Paul speaks of the need to "flee". Don't play around in the thought life. Flee into Jesus. Set the mind on the spirit where the Spirit of Jesus Christ is in the born again person. Learn to "flee" into the presence of the Lord Jesus.
Don't play around in the thoughts. Don't hang around or be where such thoughts are likely to be stirred up. Look away to Christ and flee into the Spirit of Christ.
"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
Mark 10: 19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Again. these sins all start in the soul and move out to be expressed in the body. So it behooves the believer to allow the Holy Spirit to permeate his soul.
Every action we perform physically involves the soul - the mind, the emotion, and the will.
The mind thinks of a matter.
The emotion decides it likes or dislikes the matter.
The will chooses to act.
I'll skip down to your Leviticus verse in another post. Must leave now.