Three wise former gays

Originally posted by sonship

We choose to have sex to whomever we choose and even to whatever we choose. It doesn't matter whether we are heterosexual or not. Personally, I am not sure that God condemns a person for being homosexual inside their minds, but God does blame us for fornication, adultery, and bestiality.

There is merit in your observation. For one thin ...[text shortened]... ll chooses to act.

I'll skip down to your Leviticus verse in another post. Must leave now.

I may have made a mistake in this post.

I am re-thinking something I am not sure of.

Originally posted by sonship
We all wish it were just a Hollywood thing.
Unfortunately it isn't.

Point being, child molesters aren't homosexual. They'd have to be human first. The attempt to conflate the two is misguided.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
1. yes, its entirely plausible that it happens

2. the question is not about me and i resent your attempts to make it so, I am not aroused by little girls no but thats does not mean that others are not, or that homosexuals are not aroused by little boys, does it, your argument is therefore a logical fallacy.

3. You can dispute it all you like, y ...[text shortened]... mosexual tendencies absolutely rule out the reasons for the disparity and i don't think you can.

1. It is not plausible. Go read some.
2. You deduced that homosexuals are aroused by young boys but when I
make the same deduction about heterosexual men (including yourself)
being aroused by young girls you get upset. Of course both deductions
are fallacies!
3. I explained the disparity in a previous post.
4. Jaywill provided raw (disputed) data which is no proof for his vile
accusations. The onus is on the accuser - that includes you if you agree
with Jaywill.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. It is not plausible. Go read some.
2. You deduced that homosexuals are aroused by young boys but when I
make the same deduction about heterosexual men (including yourself)
being aroused by young girls you get upset. Of course both deductions
are fallacies!
3. I explained the disparity in a previous post.
4. Jaywill provided raw (disputed) data ...[text shortened]... vile
accusations. The onus is on the accuser - that includes you if you agree
with Jaywill.

no way Baldric, jaywills data has explained the disparity, you have not.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Point being, child molesters aren't homosexual. They'd have to be human first. The attempt to conflate the two is misguided.

why is it misguided, they committed homosexual acts they are both homosexuals and pedophiles

For anyone interested in the findings of a well respected organization.

From the American Psychological Association's "Understanding Child Sexual Abuse: Education, Prevention and Recovery"

Studies on who commits child sexual abuse vary in their findings, but the most common finding is that the majority of sexual offenders are family members or are otherwise known to the child. Sexual abuse by strangers is not nearly as common as sexual abuse by family members. Research further shows that men perpetrate most instances of sexual abuse, but there are cases in which women are the offenders. Despite a common myth, homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are.

http://www.apa.org/pubs/info/brochures/sex-abuse.aspx?item=3

This is in opposition to the findings of the disreputable Family Research Council posted by sonship. For insight into the reputation of The Family Research Council see my post on page 24.

About the American Psychological Association:

The American Psychological Association (APA) is the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the United States and Canada.[1] It is the world's largest association of psychologists with around 137,000 members including scientists, educators, clinicians, consultants and students.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychological_Association

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no way Baldric, jaywills data has explained the disparity, you have not.

I remember a Maths lesson from when I was about 13. We were shown the
correlation between homes with aerials on the roof and homes which had a
second car. Our teacher pointed out that if your parents wanted a second
car they should put an aerial on the roof!

I've been mindful of that lesson on statistics ever since.

NB. This was early 70's when you needed a rooftop aerial for your new
colour tv but the B&W worked off "bunny-ears"

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is it misguided, they committed homosexual acts they are both homosexuals and pedophiles

I just told you why.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is it misguided, they committed homosexual acts they are both homosexuals and pedophiles

current thinking sees pedophilia as its own form of sexuality. in general pedophiles are sexually attracted to children rather than gender. working sometimes with young pedophiles, i can say that this does seem to be the case. it is also thought of by the criminal justice system and by psychologists as incurable (just like any other form of sexuality).

Originally posted by sonship
I may have made a mistake in this post.

I am re-thinking something I am not sure of.

sonship. is your main problem with homosexual adoption that you worry the child will learn from its parents and become homosexual?

do you also think that the risk of pedophilia is also a reason to not allow homosexuals to adopt?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
current thinking sees pedophilia as its own form of sexuality. in general pedophiles are sexually attracted to children rather than gender. working sometimes with young pedophiles, i can say that this does seem to be the case. it is also thought of by the criminal justice system and by psychologists as incurable (just like any other form of sexuality).

"young pedophiles"??

Isn't it true that most human beings are attracted to people in their own age range? When I hit puberty I suddenly realized that my classmates suddenly got more interesting. Would this make young teenagers "pedophiles"? Isn't pedophilia defined as inappropriate attraction to young people? Isn't "young pedophile" thus an oxymoron?

Of course, I'm not sure how young you mean by "young", either.

Originally posted by Suzianne
"young pedophiles"??

Isn't it true that most human beings are attracted to people in their own age range? When I hit puberty I suddenly realized that my classmates suddenly got more interesting. Would this make young teenagers "pedophiles"? Isn't pedophilia defined as inappropriate attraction to young people? Isn't "young pedophile" thus an oxymoron?

Of course, I'm not sure how young you mean by "young", either.

its a group of males aged between 18-22. most have a history of inappropriate sexual behavior (to varying degrees) committed under the age of 16. those considered (on the whole) as pedophiles have shown to be attracted specifically to prepubescent children.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
I just told you why.

so are they homos or paedos or will you join the existentialists and admit that they are in essence neither?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
its a group of males aged between 18-22. most have a history of inappropriate sexual behavior (to varying degrees) committed under the age of 16. those considered (on the whole) as pedophiles have shown to be attracted specifically to prepubescent children.

okay, thanks for the clarification. That makes way more sense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so are they homos or paedos or will you join the existentialists and admit that they are in essence neither?

you often say that you would rather kids stay in care than being adopted by a homosexual couple. giving the reason that if they waited longer a heterosexual couple may turn up to adopt. to what age would you keep them waiting 'just in case'. lets say a child comes into care age 2, what age would you say enough is enough and allow a homosexual couple to adopt?