Three wise former gays

Originally posted by sonship
[quote] [b]Answering my question with another question is nothing more than a dodge. It's okay though, I know your answer to this question already, you have answered in a previous thread. You would rather prolong the suffering of children in care than hand them over to a perfectly loving same sex couple. That is nothing short of evil as I've told you before. ...[text shortened]... e lexicons of the dichotomy Straight verses Gay ?

I think that may follow shortly perhaps.

That's for the thorough explanation. Now as for my question, would your answer be to leave a child in care or give them to a same sex couple? Former or latter?

Originally posted by sonship
[quote] Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sex ...[text shortened]... used by promotion of the homosexual unions.
Add this to my so-called tangential replies above.

Thanks for attempting to directly addressing one of the germane points. Before I comment on what you posted here, how about addressing the other germane point (which is in bold below)?

Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sexual orientation (in your case heterosexuality).

Add this to my so-called tangential replies above.

They weren't just "so-called" tangential replies. Compare what you wrote in this last post of yours and your previous replies. In your previous replies, you went off on tangents that didn't address the germane points. You can try to deny it, but they are what they are.

Originally posted by sonship
Kids without dads:

60 % of America’s rapists
63 % of America’s youth suicides
70 % of America’s long-term prison inmates
70 % of America’s reform school attendees
71 % of America’s teenage pregnancies
71 % of America’s high school dropouts
72 % of America’s adolescent murderers
85 % of America’s youth prisoners
85 % of America’s yout ...[text shortened]... s.

Most of these stats came from here:
http://fathersforlife.org/divorce/chldrndiv.htm.

Those stats are meaningless - how about comparing single-parent
families with two-parent families from the same socio-economic groups?

Then, and only then, can you support your claims.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That's for the thorough explanation. Now as for my question, would your answer be to leave a child in care or give them to a same sex couple? Former or latter?

One should not be forced to choose between two evils, its a loaded question, free bird seed if ever I saw it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
One should not be forced to choose between two evils, its a loaded question, free bird seed if ever I saw it!

Life presents us with these kinds of decisions all the time. Do you run from them when they come up in yours?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
One should not be forced to choose between two evils, its a loaded question, free bird seed if ever I saw it!

It's not a loaded question, it's reality. We know your answer though, you chose to perpetuate the suffering of children.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It's not a loaded question, it's reality. We know your answer though, you chose to perpetuate the suffering of children.

On the contrary my wish is that they find a normal stable loving family instead of an artificial and unnatural one.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Life presents us with these kinds of decisions all the time. Do you run from them when they come up in yours?

it depends upon the dynamics, my values are pretty clear to be honest so its somewhat easier for me to utilise the power of discernment.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
On the contrary my wish is that they find a normal stable loving family instead of an artificial and unnatural one.

Fortunately some of us actually exist in the 'real world' where we recognise that these sort of choices have to be made.

68,110 children were in care of local authorities last year. 3,980 of those were adopted of which 230 went to same same sex couples, given the choice you'd rather keep those 230 children in care.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Fortunately some of us actually exist in the 'real world' where we recognise that these sort of choices have to be made.

68,110 children were in care of local authorities last year. 3,980 of those were adopted of which 230 went to same same sex couples, given the choice you'd rather keep those 230 children in care.

who is to say that they would not have found loving natural stable families in time instead of being subject to an artificial social experiment.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who is to say that they would not have found loving natural stable families in time instead of being subject to an artificial social experiment.

There are 6,000 children in care waiting to be adopted. The demand does not meet the supply.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25493212

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
On the contrary my wish is that they find a normal stable loving family instead of an artificial and unnatural one.

there are on average 68,000 children in care.
there are on average 3500 children adopted each year.
there are an average 120 children each year adopted by gay couples.

although your preference would be that all 68,000 kids get adopted by heterosexual couples, the reality is the overwhelming majority do not get adopted.........that would be another 120 children not adopted if you had your way.


edit: oops i see proper knob was quicker at getting the stats.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who is to say that they would not have found loving natural stable families in time instead of being subject to an artificial social experiment.

do the maths!!!! there are more children needing adoption than couples trying to adopt.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do the maths!!!! there are more children needing adoption than couples trying to adopt.

Indeed but who is to say that they may not find a loving stable family in time, farming them out to an unnatural environment in some kind of social experiment may be a lesser evil than being in care, but dude, come on! its just plain icky!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed but who is to say that they may not find a loving stable family in time, farming them out to an unnatural environment in some kind of social experiment may be a lesser evil than being in care, but dude, come on! its just plain icky!

are you stuck in a nonsensical loop???

if the 120 kids usually adopted by gays get adopted by straight couples........what happens to the 120 kids that would have originally been adopted by the straight couples.

its simple maths. there are a limited amount of people wanting to adopt. removing any of them regardless of sexuality just means less children will be adopted. you dont seem to want to face the reality of the situation.