Originally posted by buckkySo far all you seem to have got in response is a chorus of people essentially saying "what I believe is the Truth". But surely that is the case by definition. Nobody believes something they believe to be false. We all think we are correct - to a point, and must admit ignorance beyond that.
Who has the Truth ? What religion has the most Truth ? Truth seekers seem to disagree on who has the Truth. It must be very confusing as to what the Real Truth might be. Two plus two is four, and everything else comes to a hault. The Truth is when it comes to the spiritual world nothing is easy to understand. The Truth is to liquid to hang on to.
What people should have been explaining to you is why they believe their point of view is the truth and why they think you should agree with them.
So let me explain mine. I believe that the only reliable method of investigating the universe, is by using scientific methods. So I generally try to apply scientific methodology to everything, and to a large extent, I believe the truth to be the findings of science. Beyond that, I must largely profess ignorance. In addition I tend to give skepticism to the more outlandish ideas that have no scientific backing.
Originally posted by buckkyEveryone has the Truth. It is within you, not without you. If you need others to tell you where is Truth then you are not seeking the Truth, just a shortcut.
Who has the Truth ? What religion has the most Truth ? Truth seekers seem to disagree on who has the Truth. It must be very confusing as to what the Real Truth might be. Two plus two is four, and everything else comes to a hault. The Truth is when it comes to the spiritual world nothing is easy to understand. The Truth is to liquid to hang on to.
Originally posted by KellyJayI wasn't thinking you were "accusing' me of anything, but it didn't sound like you had read the posts. If you have read them and have specific questions about my other posts that you didn't understand, then feel free to ask about them.
Because I didn't understand, not accusing you of anything, just want you to
make another attempt.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou don't think God had anything to do with Paul's writting?
Well, I guess I'll have to assume that you don't believe the words of Paul are truth.
The only reason I ask is because some seem to believe that the words of Paul ARE the words of Jesus or some such nonsense.
Just wanted to see if you were willing to be perfectly clear. Evidently not.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne[/b]You say you love music but continue hitting that one off-key note. Your demand of a superficial rendering for Scripture is the source of your lack of peace: you draw it near while at the same time keep it at bay.
If the words of Jesus are "sufficient", then the words of Paul are superfluous.
If there is "no contradiction", then what do you make of Romans 3? Jesus spent a great deal of time emphasizing that one must obey His commands which is not what Paul seems to be saying here.21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifeste ...[text shortened]... 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
You do not follow the words of Christ, do not hold all of them in the same regard, yet you chide Christians who are following Him as though they are far afield. Will your tongue-clucking ever end? For your sake, I hope so.
Originally posted by KellyJayNo. The words of Paul read like a politician talking out both sides of his mouth. He seemed to be more interested in marketing and gaining power than Truth. As such many of the concepts that Christianity has derived based on his writings are antithetical to what Jesus taught while He walked the Earth.
You don't think God had anything to do with Paul's writting?
Kelly
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou continue to take cheap shots rather than addressing the germane points of my posts.
You say you love music but continue hitting that one off-key note. Your demand of a superficial rendering for Scripture is the source of your lack of peace: you draw it near while at the same time keep it at bay.
You do not follow the words of Christ, do not hold all of them in the same regard, yet you chide Christians who are following Him as though they are far afield. Will your tongue-clucking ever end? For your sake, I hope so.
Once again:
I suppose if you could make an intelligent argument you would. But out of desperation you repeatedly attack my posts and me using dishonest tactics. One of these days you might surprise everyone and start addressing the germane points of my posts instead of taking cheap shots.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneOkay, we disagree. Now, Paul was a follower of Jesus Christ, one of us if you will,
No. The words of Paul read like a politician talking out both sides of his mouth. He seemed to be more interested in marketing and gaining power than Truth. As such many of the concepts that Christianity has derived based on his writings are antithetical to what Jesus taught while He walked the Earth.
so the perspectives are different; however, Jesus told us while he was with us
that one of the necessary things about His leaving us was that the Holy Spirit
would come. Paul had a ministry appointed by God; he was filled with Holy Spirit
of God who taught him many things that he shared.
Paul wasn't out making a name for himself to acquire power and fame; he died
for the truth that God had revealed to him about Jesus Christ. Many of the
concepts within Christianity are based upon Paul's relationship with God just as
they are with Peter, James, Luke, and others.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe problem is that many of the concepts within Christianity that are based on the writings of Paul are antithetical to what Jesus taught while He walked the Earth. If Paul were "filled with the Holy Spirit", he would have been ONE with God and Jesus and his writings would echo what Jesus taught. As evidenced by Romans 7, Paul was not ONE with them and knew he wasn't. If Paul had become ONE with them, he would not have continued to sin. From what I can tell, Paul resolved this conflict by creating rationalizations that are the basis of the concepts within Christianity that are antithetical to what Jesus taught.
Okay, we disagree. Now, Paul was a follower of Jesus Christ, one of us if you will,
so the prespectives are differrent; however, Jesus told us while he was with us
that one of the necessary things about His leaving us was that the Holy Spirit
would come. Paul had a minstry appointed by God, he was filled with Holy Spirit
of God who taught him many thing pon Paul's relationship with God just as
they are with Peter, James, Luke, and others.
Kelly