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The post that was quoted here has been removedThe Hebrews wrote scriptures in which they portrayed themselves as carrying out God's will [i.e. destroying the people - who lived on land they wanted to occupy - because of their alleged wickedness] and they also declared that these scriptures were divinely inspired.
Abraham had more sons than just Isaac (by Sarah) and Ishmael (by Hagar). He also had six sons by Keturah, his wife after the death of Sarah: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah (Genesis 25:2). The Midianites were the descendants of Midian and therefore children of Abraham. They settled in “the land of the east” (Genesis 25:6). Most scholars believe the land of Midian was officially on both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba, although the Midianites showed nomadic tendencies later in their history (see Habakkuk 3:7, ESV).
When Moses fled the wrath of Pharaoh, he traveled to Midian (Exodus 2:15). There, Moses met and married his wife, Zipporah, and served his father-in-law, Jethro, as a shepherd for forty years. The fact that Jethro was “a priest of Midian” (Exodus 2:16) indicates that the Midianites, at least during Moses’ time, still retained the knowledge of the God of their father Abraham (cf. Jethro’s words and actions in Exodus 18). At the end of Moses’ time in Midian, God appeared to Moses—still in Midian—and commissioned him to lead the Israelites out of slavery (Exodus 3—4).
As the children of Israel traveled through the wilderness, they employed the services of a guide familiar with the desert—Moses’ Midianite brother-in-law, Hobab (Numbers 10:29). However, the relations between the Israelites and the Midianites began to sour when the Midianites joined forces with the Moabites in order to hire Balaam to curse Israel (Numbers 22). Later, when Israel fell into idolatry and sexual sin with the Moabite women (Numbers 25), we find that a prominent Midianite woman was also involved (Numbers 25:6). The Lord then told Moses to wage war against the Midianites: “Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them. They treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the Peor incident involving their sister Kozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader” (Numbers 25:17–19). The Israelites did eventually attack the Midianites, meting out divine retribution against their enemies (Numbers 31). Five kings of the Midianites were killed, as was Balaam (Numbers 31:8). This battle was one of the last things Moses accomplished as leader of the Israelites.
During the time of the judges, “the Midianites, Amalekites and other eastern peoples invaded the country” and plundered the land (Judges 6:3). For seven years, “Midian so impoverished the Israelites that they cried out to the Lord for help” (verse 6). God answered their cries and raised up Gideon as a deliverer. With just 300 men, Gideon defeated the armies of the Midianites, although the foe was “thick as locusts. Their camels could no more be counted than the sand on the seashore” (Judges 7:12). Of course, God was involved, and He was the One who granted the victory over the Midianites (verse 22).
The post that was quoted here has been removed(1) I believe that people of all groups would commit war crimes given enough numbers, sure.
@philokalia saidWhich parts of the Bible should be looked at from the perspective of a 21st-century mind?
When we deal with the Bronze & Iron Ages, we are rarely dealing with pleasant realities, and so it is not actually useful to look at these things from the perspective of a 21st century mind.
@fmf saidWhen I say 21st century mind, I say it in a way that is meant to inherently criticize it.
Which parts of the Bible should be looked at from the perspective of a 21st-century mind?
@philokalia saidThe Hebrews wanted land that was occupied by another people. They killed all the people and moved onto the land they'd wanted.
When I say 21st century mind, I say it in a way that is meant to inherently criticize it.
I think we should all invest significant amount of times taking us out of our own place in history, and putting us into a place beyond time.
This is why they also say that God exists beyond time, and things have all occurred to him and ended in a single instant. Of cour ...[text shortened]... ranscend their time when pursuing truth, and then adapt the truth to their circumstances as need be.
Philokalia shows poor (or extremely biased) reading comprehension.
His servants said to him, "Behold now, we have heard that the kings of the house of Israel are merciful kings, please let us put sackcloth on our loins and ropes on our heads, and go out to the king of Israel; perhaps he will save your life."
@sonship saidWhat is your source for these accusations?
The Midianites purposely seduced the Hebrews into fornication to ruin the morality of the nation. They did so at the advise of the Gentile prophet of God Balaam, who had gone completely sour in his divine responsibilities being greedy after money.
@sonship saidFeel free to address the actual content of any of my four previous posts on this thread. I have not been repeating "Richard Dawkins accusations against Yahweh".
@FMF
There is this book you see. Its called The Bible.
Read it. You may notice some things if you read carefully. Then you can avoid such mistakes as the woman in John 4 left the scene condemned and ready to perish.
The Bible is the source. I read it. I read all of it.
Dr. Paul Copans book Is God a Moral Monster is a good second look at Richard ...[text shortened]... tch?v=1C3q3Zr_R8E
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