Originally posted by @dj2beckerPeople like me, Eladar, divegeester and robbie carrobie. Do you perceive any anger in her - annoyance, displeasure, hostility - towards those people? You either perceive it or you don’t.
Anger towards whom?
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Originally posted by @fmfThose are again your words not mine. I acknowledged no such thing.
You have acknowledged that the cult experience has taken it's toll on your intellectual and interpersonal behaviour. You acknowledged it. You voluntarily blamed the cult for that toll. More recently you suggested that, having only escaped from the cult at the age of 24, you are in certain ways still like a teenager. Nothing is twisted.
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Originally posted by @fmfWhy don't you ask them if they perceive it since they are the supposed recipients? I told you I have not perceived anger toward me, how should I know what the likes of Eladar and co perceive?
People like me, Eladar, divegeester and robbie carrobie. Do you perceive any anger in her - annoyance, displeasure, hostility - towards those people? You either perceive it or you don’t.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerBecause I am asking you if you perceive the anger in Suzianne. I am asking you, not them. I am not asking if you perceive anger towards you. I am asking if you perceive anger in Suzianne according to your dictionary definition.
Why don't you ask them if they perceive it since they are the supposed recipients? I told you I have not perceived anger toward me, how should I know what the likes of Eladar and co perceive?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou seem to want to distance yourself from things you have said in the past. But at what cost?
Those are again your words not mine. I acknowledged no such thing.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelI didn't need to be forced. I used the word "forced" in quotation marks because I was referring to how compelling I found the things I believed in to be.
Anyone that needs to be forced to know god is just not going about their spirituality in the right way.
I believe there is freedom to choose. I believe there are guidelines, not rules
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIt wasn't a decision. Instead, I realized it was not compelling after a long drawn out period of time. There was no decision, as such, aside from the decision one day to stop self-identifying as a Christian, and that happened some indeterminable amount of time after my faith had become so weak that it was effectively lost. I must have explained this to you half a dozen times. Why do you keep asking me about the same thing over and over and over again?
You decided that it was compelling did you not?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerSomething you admitted, when you were behaving childishly in a discussion a month or so ago, and I criticized you for it, pointing out that you were sounding like a teenager who hadn't moved much in the adult world, was this: "I lived isolated from the real world for more than 20 years. So maybe I am almost a teen in terms of experiencing the real world." That's verbatim.
Not at all, if you want to quote me use my words not your own twisted ones.
When I put it to you that your unpleasant experience had certainly taken its toll on you in interpersonal terms as a conversationalist and as a promoter of your current beliefs, and that your manner and rhetorical tricks were like those of someone who was still trapped in a cult, you explained it as follows: "It's one thing to get out of a cult but it is another thing to get the cult out of you". That's verbatim too.
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Originally posted by @fmfYou say you were 'hooked' by how compelling it was. So who decided it was compelling if not you?
It wasn't a decision. Instead, I realized it was not compelling after a long drawn out period of time. There was no decision, as such, aside from the decision one day to stop self-identifying as a Christian, and that happened some indeterminable amount of time after my faith had become so weak that it was effectively lost. I must have explained this to you half a dozen times. Why do you keep asking me about the same thing over and over and over again?
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Originally posted by @fmfSo I said nothing about my intellectual and interpersonal behavior as you claimed I did. Why the dishonesty?
Something you admitted, when you were behaving childishly in a discussion a month or so ago, and I criticized you for it, pointing out that you were sounding like a teenager who hadn't moved much in the adult world, was this: "I lived isolated from the real world for more than 20 years. So maybe I am almost a teen in terms of experiencing the real world." That' ...[text shortened]... g to get out of a cult but it is another thing to get the cult out of you". That's verbatim too.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo dishonesty on my part. Go back and look what lead up to those admissions by you and how often you have repeated exactly the same behaviour. I stand by everything I have ever said here. You should do the same. I am sympathetic for you in that you spent most of your life being psychologically abused and deprived, but it's behind you now. You should take responsibility for what you say and for your intellectual behaviour generally.
So I said nothing about my intellectual and interpersonal behavior as you claimed I did. Why the dishonesty?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThere was no decision. It's as if you haven't read any of my hundreds and hundreds of posts on this matter, many of them directed specifically to you. I get it that you see supernatural things differently from me, and I get it that we see realizing that we have faith through a different prism from each other, but we just disagree. I have explained my view clearly over and over again. And yet you seem to ignore the fact that I have done so, and simply ask about the same things over and over again.
You say you were 'hooked' by how compelling it was. So who decided it was compelling if not you?