Originally posted by chaney3Oh dear. Well. You're not the first person I've met with a substance abuse problem who didn't want to take responsibility for what they did under the influence. You said it. It wasn't true. You've asked about it numerous times, didn't settle the issue. But it wasn't a lie. It wasn't you're fault. Blah blah blah...
IF I ever said, while drinking, that I was never a Christian, then I made an error, but I don't consider it a lie.
-Removed-I have not been lying!!
I have no secret motives!!
There is no chaney3 conspiracy here.
We have a serious failure of communication.
I was a Christian, and anything I have said contrary to that is due to a combination of being drunk, pissed off, doubtful about the validity of the Bible, and a severe case of frustration with the incoherent message of Christianity as a whole.
But not lying!!!
Originally posted by chaney3Blame anything or anyone. Just don't blame yourself. That's the way. 😞
I have not been lying!!
I have no secret motives!!
There is no chaney3 conspiracy here.
We have a serious failure of communication.
I was a Christian, and anything I have said contrary to that is due to a combination of being drunk, pissed off, doubtful about the validity of the Bible, and a severe case of frustration with the incoherent message of Christianity as a whole.
But not lying!!!
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHey, it's a compliment and I'm taking it!! Wine or no wine! 🙂
I think Chaney is an exceptionally smart fellow.
(Disclaimer - I've had a glass of wine this sunny afternoon so technically, technically, I'm not lying).
Are you wearing your tank top, displaying your 'guns' this sunny afternoon?
Originally posted by FMFI did not say that I blame Jesus FOR my alcoholism.
Do you remember blaming Jesus for your alcoholism?
I said that I do NOT believe in the 12 steps of AA, which states that your 'higher power' will assist you in your recovery process. At the time I tried, Jesus was my higher power, and in MY experience, it did not help or work.
Originally posted by chaney3Yes you did. So it seems you have forgotten.
I did not say that I blame Jesus FOR my alcoholism.
I said that I do NOT believe in the 12 steps of AA, which states that your 'higher power' will assist you in your recovery process. At the time I tried, Jesus was my higher power, and in MY experience, it did not help or work.
Nothing to do with AA. You were whinging about Jesus turning water into wine being a bad example and therefore you holding him responsible for your substance abuse. It was a completely separate conversation than the one about AA.
Originally posted by FMFNo FMF. You added the word "therefore", along with the assumption of blame.
Yes you did. So it seems you have forgotten.
[b]I said that I do NOT believe in the 12 steps of AA, which states that your 'higher power' will assist you in your recovery process. At the time I tried, Jesus was my higher power, and in MY experience, it did not help or work.
Nothing to do with AA. You were whinging about Jesus turning water into wine b ...[text shortened]... sible for your substance abuse. It was a completely separate conversation than the one about AA.[/b]
Yes, I questioned the miracle of Jesus turning water into wine, but not as blame, just a curiosity, since alcohol can be such a problem for 'some' people.
Originally posted by chaney3In your defence you did say previously:
No FMF. You added the word "therefore", along with the assumption of blame.
Yes, I questioned the miracle of Jesus turning water into wine, but not as blame, just a curiosity, since alcohol can be such a problem for 'some' people.
"You, like Rak, think I am somehow blaming Jesus for something. I don't believe I've said anything that would assign blame."
However, you did also say:
"One could certainly say yes to that. If Jesus says it's okay, then why not?? Did He not turn the water into wine? Also, moderation wouldn't be important either, if the drunkard accusation is at all true."
So, any confusion as to whether or not you held Jesus accountable for your drinking is understandable.