Originally posted by DeepThought
I had a conversation with GrampyBobby about this before. That was never my understanding of the deal. One has to repent of one's sins. That means trying not to commit them. Being human we fail, so we need God's grace to make up for our imperfection. But the position the actual Christians, at least around here, seem to have is that believing is enoug ...[text shortened]... l one has to do is accept the gift and hey Presto! In which case why get het up about morality?
Grampy Bobby is one of the weakest 'conversationalists' among the regulars here, being ~ as he is ~ more intent upon pontificating and using various devices and cop-outs from his little bag of passive aggressive rhetorical tricks, than he is engaging [most] people with sincerity.
In response to me saying that I used to be a Christian and now not being one, and being an unbeliever instead, he has variously told me I am saved [because I once believed and accepted the gift] and there's nothing I can do to change that, AND he has pontificated that unbelievers [presumably those that have never believed, even for an instant] will be tortured in burning agony for eternity by way of punishment and revenge.
I have heard both these things several times in what passed for 'conversation' in the past. He has never stooped to explain to me the flat contradiction inherent in his pontifications, and one occasion, when pressed on it, he declared himself to be "immune to human criticism". I think he just likes declaring stuff plucked from his imagination and claiming it applies to people.
Good for you if you've managed to wring a 'conversation' out of him that wasn't ~ on his part ~ furtive, deflecting and, ultimately, deeply incoherent. 🙂