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Originally posted by Grampy BobbySimple, superficial, deep, philosophical studies, all these are attributes of mankind. There is no need for a god to show any of those qualities. Mankind is very creative and the best of us near god like intellectually speaking and quite capable of coming up with every word in every religious document like the Bible, Quran, the books Dasa touts and all the rest. It denigrates the mind of man to pre-suppose a deity HAD to have given men those words.
DeepThought, I'm well aware of your own declared position as an agnostic: neither believing that God does exist nor that He doesn't exist which suggests you're still open minded and searching for absolute truth. Your objectivity on this forum and on the Science Forum has earned my respect. You're obviously well read and contribute thoughtful replies and ...[text shortened]... tive volition apt to say, "No thanks" or engage in criticizing it as too simple and superficial?
It is like the stupid theories of the UFO crowd who say the Pyramids couldn't POSSIBLY have been built by mere humanity, denigrating the intelligence and creativity of those long ago humans, saying THEREFORE they had to have gotten help from Aliens.
Humans don't NEED deities to be creative and wise, it comes with the human condition all by itself.
That said, I can't deny some kind of deity may exist but I can deny the bible god. I see clearly the bible god as 100% man made.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt is untrue that your OP does not contain declarative statements. You OP consists of rhetorical question, which are declarative statements in question format. Questions are posed to get answers, while rhetorical question are posed to make points and generate discussion, which you admit was your intention when you say your purpose was to "stimulate discussion" as opposed to getting answers to your questions.
The OP topic is volition [the decider of our immaterial beings/souls]; in context, "negative volition" rather than the identities of site members or contributors to this forum per se. It contains six questions without a declarative statement because its purpose is to stimulate discussion which results in an understanding of the online behaviours used to defensively and offensively say "no".
For example, the first sentence in your OP could be rephrased to this declarative sentence followed by a question: "Negative volition tends to detest biblical simplicity and dismiss it as superficiality. Have your ever noticed this?" Merely putting question marks at the end of sentences does not prevent the sentence from being declarative. For example, if one person says to another person "What kind of idiot are you?" they are making the declarative statement that the other person is an idiot, and merely hiding it in the form of a question.
Since it has been demonstrated that your OP is in fact filled with declarative statements, it will be interesting to see if you use your volition positively and defend/debate those statements, or if you will use your volition negatively by continuing to refuse to defend/debate those statements.
Originally posted by josephwThere is no such thing as outside a dimension. The phrase is incoherent.
A "place" where we measure time is here where we exist in space on this planet. We count the time in terms of seconds, minutes, hours etc. We measure the passing of time in relation to the duration of our existence.
Outside of this dimension of space, matter and time is eternity.
Originally posted by twhiteheadEternity is not contained within the dimension of space, matter and time.
There is no such thing as outside a dimension. The phrase is incoherent.
Try to use your imagination.
"There is no such thing as outside a dimension."
Read more carefully the words I used. I said, "outside this dimension", not "a" dimension. We exist here. This dimension. It is comprised of space, matter and time existing in a three dimensional field. Eternity is not in here. Eternity is out there.
Whatever! It's pointless to debate about it on account of you having your own ideas about now and the hereafter. If it's in the Bible you're ready to contradict it out of hand. Why bother replying to me? I'm delusional, remember?
Oh, that's right! You need to work those "weapons of negative volition".
Originally posted by sonhouse"I see clearly the bible god as 100% man made."
Simple, superficial, deep, philosophical studies, all these are attributes of mankind. There is no need for a god to show any of those qualities. Mankind is very creative and the best of us near god like intellectually speaking and quite capable of coming up with every word in every religious document like the Bible, Quran, the books Dasa touts and all the ...[text shortened]... d of deity may exist but I can deny the bible god. I see clearly the bible god as 100% man made.
100%? You see clearly 100%? You must be God old boy! No one "sees" anything 100%. No human being anyway.
Seriously sonhouse, why do you continue to bark up this same old tree. If you're so cocksure the God of the Bible is man made, why do you waste your time arguing with Christians about it?
I'll be honest with you. You're not as confident that the God of the Bible isn't real as I am that He is. You know I'm telling you the truth don't you?
100% my as. 😉
Originally posted by josephwMaybe you should try to understand what dimensions really are.
Eternity is not contained within the dimension of space, matter and time.
Try to use your imagination.
Read more carefully the words I used. I said, "outside this dimension", not "a" dimension. We exist here. This dimension. It is comprised of space, matter and time existing in a three dimensional field. Eternity is not in here. Eternity is out there.
As I said, such statements are incoherent. Dimensionality is about placing something on a scale. If you cannot place something on a scale then to talk of its position or lack of position on that scale is meaningless. Where in space is the word 'dimension'? It is everywhere and nowhere. What it definitely isn't, is 'somewhere else'.
I'm delusional, remember?
That is no excuse for also being incoherent.
If you can't carry on a normal conversation with people who disagree with you, why are you even here?
Originally posted by twhitehead"If you can't carry on a normal conversation with people who disagree with you, why are you even here?"
Maybe you should try to understand what dimensions really are.
[b]Read more carefully the words I used. I said, "outside this dimension", not "a" dimension. We exist here. This dimension. It is comprised of space, matter and time existing in a three dimensional field. Eternity is not in here. Eternity is out there.
As I said, such statements are i ...[text shortened]... u can't carry on a normal conversation with people who disagree with you, why are you even here?[/b]
You are generating incoherency. That's why I'm here. To counter it.
From Marriam-Webster; Dimension-: the length, width, height, or depth of something : a measurement in one direction (such as the distance from the ceiling to the floor in a room)
This place where we exist exists in the form of a dimension with physical attributes as well as with the attribute of time in the form of past, present and future. Eternity is a place beyond, or, for the lack of a better way of understanding it, outside this dimension.
You can argue about it till you're blue in the face, but it won't change a thing.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd what, precisely, is "the truth"?
As a believer in Christ my responsibility is to provide accurate biblical information and encouragement not to criticize and embarrass others for their real or imagined shortcomings. Scan the most controversial topic threads on this forum for specific examples of "Weapons of Negative Volition" behaviours used defensively and offensively to oppose the truth.
-Removed-divegeester: So before I can debate you..." My previous reply: "its purpose is to stimulate discussion which results in an understanding of the online behaviours used to defensively and offensively say "no", not to debate you.
divegeester: "... you lack the courage to address; and instead you would rather sit at a safe distance and pontificate upon these through a sort of veil of feigned humility and public service...?" Any additional personalized off topic criticism?
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Originally posted by twhitehead (Page 3)twhitehead, your comments continue to be focused on me and my motives with instructions, thread response assessments and conclusions. What comments would you be inclined to make with respect to "Weapons of Negative Volition"?
You say you are grateful and take comments seriously, but you do not act on them. You could start by reposting the OP in actually intelligible English. You either do not want a discussion about the OP, or you do not realize that it is not intelligible to the vast majority of readers - despite the large number of responses to that effect.
Originally posted by josephw (Page 3)Isn't it curious that the topic of "Weapons of Negative Volition" itself has triggered emotional off topic/attack mode replies.
"What specific emotions?"
Any emotion that interferes with rational objective inquiry for the sake of the truth.
Theists are subject to the same.
Originally posted by sonhouse (Page 4)"... but I can deny the bible god. I see clearly the bible god as 100% man made." Well reasoned but what if you're wrong?
Simple, superficial, deep, philosophical studies, all these are attributes of mankind. There is no need for a god to show any of those qualities. Mankind is very creative and the best of us near god like intellectually speaking and quite capable of coming up with every word in every religious document like the Bible, Quran, the books Dasa touts and ...[text shortened]... d of deity may exist but I can deny the bible god. I see clearly the bible god as 100% man made.
