17 Apr 14
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Originally posted by yoctobyteAtheists can speak for themselves, but for me ~ as a non-religionist ~ I'd say [with "morality" being a code that governs human interactions] that the basic bricks are [1] Do not harm others [2] Do not deceive [3] Do not coerce. Of course life and the complexities of human interactions make things a bit more tricky and involved, but those three things are a starting point.
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
17 Apr 14
Originally posted by yoctobyteWhat's the use of having a bible and still not live by its morals...?
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
17 Apr 14
Originally posted by yoctobyte1. Do not cause harm to others with the possible exception of preventing harm to yourself.
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
2. Assist others at avoiding harm with the possible exception of when the cost to yourself would be high.
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17 Apr 14
Originally posted by yoctobyteFor the follower of Jesus the most important rule is "life and peace".
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
"The mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace." (Romans 8:7)
He or she has the word of God, the Holy Spirit of God, and the sense of "life and peace" deep in the innermost human spirit.
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17 Apr 14
In among all these rules they should be one fact noted. Sometimes you don't really know how you are going to act until you act. Complete self control is an illusion. Forgiveness for some of your acts will most certainly be needed.
Maybe that.s a non-religionist way of saying we're all sinners.
17 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357It should also be noted that many of our actions are not taken for moral reasons. What I do for love (of family and friends etc) should not be confused with morality. And I may even act immorally for the sake of loved ones - and feel justified in doing so.
In among all these rules they should be one fact noted. Sometimes you don't really know how you are going to act until you act. Complete self control is an illusion. Forgiveness for some of your acts will most certainly be needed.
Maybe that.s a non-religionist way of saying we're all sinners.
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17 Apr 14
Originally posted by yoctobyteI am not sure that there are 'The Rules' of how you determine morality...
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
At least not as I think you mean the phrase.
There are a number of different systems for creating a secular moral code, on
which I am not an expert so I am not about to try to explain them all here.
However, speaking generally, I think you need to start by asking what morality
actually is. And the best description I know of is Sam Harris' where he describes
morality as [and I am paraphrasing] a system for determining what behaviours,
courses of action, and laws, produce a society that best maximises the wellbeing of
it's members.
So the test for a moral system is how well it maximises the wellbeing of the people
who adhere to it. The more we know about how people function, and what makes
people happy, healthy, and content, The better a moral system we can devise.
There may well be more than one way to maximise wellbeing and thus there may
well be no one 'right answer', or 'The Rules' to follow.
This does not mean that there are not clearly wrong answers, which there emphatically
are.
17 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonshipThere have been and continue to be lots of wars based on religious differences. If indeed life and peace is the most important rule then god should let himself be known (without room for doubt) and set things straight.
For the follower of Jesus the most important rule is [b]"life and peace".
"The mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace." (Romans 8:7)
He or she has the word of God, the Holy Spirit of God, and the sense of "life and peace" deep in the innermost human spirit.[/b]
But perhaps god has different idea of "the most important rule".
18 Apr 14
Originally posted by yoctobyteThere are no moral rules for atheists. They only have animal instincts to guide them.
... for determining morality?
In another thread I asked the question "What are the rules for determining morality?" For atheists, without using the bible or any religion, what guides and forms your morality?
18 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsI would have thought that you, a Christian, would have believed that atheists were "guided" by the same hard wiring that you believe God gave all humans when he created them.
There are no moral rules for atheists. They only have animal instincts to guide them.
18 Apr 14
Originally posted by FMFSurprise. I believe atheist have disconnected any moral hard wiring and live totally on animal instincts. To be rewired they must be born again of the spirit.
I would have thought that you, a Christian, would have believed that atheists were "guided" by the same hard wiring that you believe God gave all humans when he created them.