25 Oct 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadI dont think anyone's salvation is guaranteed... i think you have to try your hardest...we are not perfect but we can try.
If you have already been 'saved' or your salvation is guaranteed, then why hasn't God taken you to heaven yet? If he is all loving, then surely he would spare you any possible further suffering here on earth? So does he not love you that much or is your salvation not guaranteed?
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadGreat question.
If you have already been 'saved' or your salvation is guaranteed, then why hasn't God taken you to heaven yet? If he is all loving, then surely he would spare you any possible further suffering here on earth? So does he not love you that much or is your salvation not guaranteed?
Life--- for the believer--- is about reward. The quest in all of this for the believer is to grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We who remain now are here for the express purpose of being blessed right in the middle of the enemies camp (see Psalm 23:5 for one example of this concept).
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf you dont type out the Psalm he will call you lazy!!!
Great question.
Life--- for the believer--- is about reward. The quest in all of this for the believer is to grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We who remain now are here for the express purpose of being blessed right in the middle of the enemies camp (see Psalm 23:5 for one example of this concept).
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by Jay JoosI was tempted to abbreviate the reference, too, as Ps. 23:5, just to be a little snot. My better nature dictated a complete spelling, but did not push for an actual quotation. It has something to do with forcing others to (once again) crack open the book. I figure the more often they consider God and His offer, the more likely they'll eventually realize the right way to play the same.
If you dont type out the Psalm he will call you lazy!!!
25 Oct 07
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Originally posted by twhiteheadGod is a physicist doing an experiment. He's testing us, and in the end only the strong willed guys who were brave enough to deny God will be saved. Why would an all powerful God want worshiping and submission? It just doesn't make sense, unless God has as ego to fulfill.
If you have already been 'saved' or your salvation is guaranteed, then why hasn't God taken you to heaven yet? If he is all loving, then surely he would spare you any possible further suffering here on earth? So does he not love you that much or is your salvation not guaranteed?
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by serigadoGod is the ultimate Self; however, fulfillment has always been complete.
God is a physicist doing an experiment. He's testing us, and in the end only the strong willed guys who were brave enough to deny God will be saved. I would an all powerful God want worshiping and submission? It just doesn't make sense, unless God has as ego to fulfill.
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe same could be asked about Christ. Why did God send him here? Why not just keep him in heaven as well?
If you have already been 'saved' or your salvation is guaranteed, then why hasn't God taken you to heaven yet? If he is all loving, then surely he would spare you any possible further suffering here on earth? So does he not love you that much or is your salvation not guaranteed?
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by FreakyKBHT.head... i hope you read Freaky's reply and note in particular "Forcing others to (once again) crack open the book"
I was tempted to abbreviate the reference, too, as Ps. 23:5, just to be a little snot. My better nature dictated a complete spelling, but did not push for an actual quotation. It has something to do with forcing others to (once again) crack open the book. I figure the more often they consider God and His offer, the more likely they'll eventually realize the right way to play the same.
That is why in my Malachi thread i refrained from quoting the bible...it makes you look it up and who knows what other little treasures your eyes may fall upon in the good book... try it sometime and you might just find the answers you seek on a chess forum...maybe you should go to church and ask a vicar these questions you have!!!
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by Jay JoosLast time I had a debate with a priest, he started crying saying I made him lose his faith and that I was the anti-christ.
T.head... i hope you read Freaky's reply and note in particular "Forcing others to (once again) crack open the book"
That is why in my Malachi thread i refrained from quoting the bible...it makes you look it up and who knows what other little treasures your eyes may fall upon in the good book... try it sometime and you might just find the answers you see ...[text shortened]... on a chess forum...maybe you should go to church and ask a vicar these questions you have!!!
I was not very happy for that, since then I never used my rhetoric to persuade anyone on matters of faith. I guess it's better to live in ignorance and be happy. But I'll fight to have children be properly educated, without falling in the emotional pit religion offers.
25 Oct 07
Originally posted by serigadoDepends if you believe in the particular religion... otherwise i cant object to a childs proper education!!!
Last time I had a debate with a priest, he started crying saying I made him lose his faith and that I was the anti-christ.
I was not very happy for that, since then I never used my rhetoric to persuade anyone on matters of faith. I guess it's better to live in ignorance and be happy. But I'll fight to have children be properly educated, without falling in the emotional pit religion offers.