In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, Jesus often says that one must believe Him or believe in Him. When He says this He is speaking of the words He is preaching in His gospel: Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God, believe that His words are the word of God or to believe the words in and of themselves.
Jesus further explains that one must believe His words in order to do His words, keep His words, live His words.
Yet many Christians will take instances where Jesus speaks of believing Him and pervert it into Jesus saying to believe in other things such as believe that "Jesus is your savior", believing in "his death on the cross for justification unto life", believe that " the sacrifice of Jesus, God incarnate, is the only adequate payment for your sins", etc.
As nonsensical as it is, many Christians think that this is what Jesus is saying.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneBelieve = Follow / Do His commandments.
In the gospel preached by Jesus, Jesus often says that one must believe Him or believe in Him. When He says this He is speaking of the words He is preaching in His gospel: Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God, believe that His words are the word of God or to believe the words in and of themselves. Jesus further explains that one mus ...[text shortened]... only adequate payment for your sins", etc.
As absurd as it is, many Christian believe this.
Proclaiming faith / Saying that they Know Christ, is useless.
And this is reflected in Matt 25 description of the judgment.
It is only those who DO will enter the Kingdom of God
All others are cast out.
06 Feb 18
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Originally posted by @rajk999Ultimately it's because they don't believe Jesus. As much as they may speak of believing Jesus or believing in Jesus, the fact is that they don't. Even though Jesus repeatedly states that believing Him is required for eternal live, to live in the kingdom.
Believe = Follow / Do His commandments.
Proclaiming faith / Saying that they Know Christ, is useless.
And this is reflected in Matt 25 description of the judgment.
It is only those who DO will enter the Kingdom of God
All others are cast out.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneOne question:
Ultimately it's because they don't believe Jesus. As much as they may speak of believing Jesus or believing in Jesus, the fact is that they don't. Even though Jesus repeatedly states that believing Him is required for eternal live, to live in the kingdom.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, sent to earth to take on the sin of the world and to be a substitutionary blood sacrifice for our sins? To, in fact, be the Savior of man promised in the New Covenant?
And not just "yeah, I guess so." Do you believe this in your heart, so that the Holy Spirit can fulfill His promise? Or do you think none of this is necessary, that all men can just absolve themselves of their sin by "working it off"?
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @suzianneI am a believer in the complete work at Calvary.
One question:
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, sent to earth to take on the sin of the world and to be a substitutionary blood sacrifice for our sins? To, in fact, be the Savior of man promised in the New Covenant?
And not just "yeah, I guess so." Do you believe this in your heart, so that the Holy Spirit can fulfill His promise? Or do ...[text shortened]... of this is necessary, that all men can just absolve themselves of their sin by "working it off"?
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @suzianneI'm inclined to spell everything out for you even though I've pretty much covered everything your asking in one way or another over the years.
One question:
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, sent to earth to take on the sin of the world and to be a substitutionary blood sacrifice for our sins? To, in fact, be the Savior of man promised in the New Covenant?
And not just "yeah, I guess so." Do you believe this in your heart, so that the Holy Spirit can fulfill His promise? Or do ...[text shortened]... of this is necessary, that all men can just absolve themselves of their sin by "working it off"?
If you really want to understand what I have in mind, then there are concepts I'd have to convey to you. It would be an iterative process. First I'll need to establish a foundation to build upon.
But I can't see going to the trouble of doing it if you're not going to bother to formulate well-thought-out substantive responses. There seems to be a serious dearth of that on this forum.
It's your call.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneShe lacks the ability to focus. Give the woman a break.
I'm inclined to spell everything out for you even though I've pretty much covered everything your asking in one way or another over the years.
If you really want to understand what I have in mind, then there are concepts I'd have to convey to you. It would be an iterative process. First I'll need to establish a foundation to build upon.
But I can' ...[text shortened]... ive responses. There seems to be a serious dearth of that on this forum.
It's your call.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterOf course. Jesus's work is complete.
By complete I mean past, present, future and eternal,
Mans work is not.
07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAccording to Jesus it means putting into practice God's commands.
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, Jesus often says that one must believe Him or believe in Him. When He says this He is speaking of the words He is preaching in His gospel: Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God, believe that His words are the word of God or to believe the words in and of themselves.
Jesus furth ...[text shortened]... ins", etc.
As nonsensical as it is, many Christians think that this is what Jesus is saying.
07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @suziannepsst... you are God. no word of a lie, I crap you not.
One question:
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, sent to earth to take on the sin of the world and to be a substitutionary blood sacrifice for our sins? To, in fact, be the Savior of man promised in the New Covenant?
And not just "yeah, I guess so." Do you believe this in your heart, so that the Holy Spirit can fulfill His promise? Or do ...[text shortened]... of this is necessary, that all men can just absolve themselves of their sin by "working it off"?
who can judge you? who can make amends? who can forgive? who ultimately has the power? It's you and when you rise to this knowledge your life will change and others will be in awe. I live this, i dont just throw it around
07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThis is about what I expected. However, I'm still at work, I'll get into this once I get home.
I'm inclined to spell everything out for you even though I've pretty much covered everything your asking in one way or another over the years.
If you really want to understand what I have in mind, then there are concepts I'd have to convey to you. It would be an iterative process. First I'll need to establish a foundation to build upon.
But I can' ...[text shortened]... ive responses. There seems to be a serious dearth of that on this forum.
It's your call.
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07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneWhat do you think Jesus meant when he said we need to be born again?
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, Jesus often says that one must believe Him or believe in Him. When He says this He is speaking of the words He is preaching in His gospel: Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God, believe that His words are the word of God or to believe the words in and of themselves.
Jesus furth ...[text shortened]... ins", etc.
As nonsensical as it is, many Christians think that this is what Jesus is saying.