What happened to the Dasa thread?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i was told why he alerted it, that did not answer why other hate speech was permitted.

Can you give some examples of what you consider 'hate speech' which parallel with what Dasa has said about Muslims ie. that all Muslim men should be killed and his latest remark about child rapists.

Originally posted by finnegan
Just noticed this and thought I'd answer.

I do not recall alerting the moderator recently, though I have done in the past and possibly the moderator took into account a history of such reports before acting. Not before time in my opinion. I would prefer also that they acted on some of the more distressing sexism exhibited in recent debates.

I have s ...[text shortened]... e out "Marxist" and "socialist" from the list which is a wasted opportunity surely?

moral panics, that made me laugh, as far as i am aware, all issues are settled, with
crystal clear clarity, founded upon a rock mass, the Christ himself stated, you are the
light of the world and its as true today as it was when we he uttered it, while the world
gropes in a moral morass, christians have been set free from every whim of teaching
which blows hither and zither, and we are happy, moral panic, bwhahahaha!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Can you give some examples of what you consider 'hate speech' which parallel with what Dasa has said about Muslims ie. that all Muslim men should be killed and his latest remark about child rapists.

what is it about your inability to follow a thread? Ironic considering your earlier
comments. 😛 I dunno, did i not give examples, I myself kept a list at one point of
personal insults, it was so extensive that I gave up (note to FMF, this is not to be
construed as a form of vanity), what about the Biblical God is akin to Hitler? that
appears to me to be a form of hate speech.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about your inability to follow a thread? Ironic considering your earlier
comments. 😛 I dunno, did i not give examples, I myself kept a list at one point of
personal insults, it was so extensive that I gave up (note to FMF, this is not to be
construed as a form of vanity), what about the Biblical God is akin to Hitler? that
appears to me to be a form of hate speech.

I'm following the thread. You've alluded to 'other forms of hate speech' a few times in this thread but as of yet haven't mentioned anything specific.

I find it ironic that you should mention personal insults, you've dished out more than your fair share over the years Rob.

As of the Hitler thing, that's not 'hate speech'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm following the thread. You've alluded to 'other forms of hate speech' a few times in this thread but as of yet haven't mentioned anything specific.

I find it ironic that you should mention personal insults, you've dished out more than your fair share over the years Rob.

As of the Hitler thing, that's not 'hate speech'.

I think it is hate speech, why dont you?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about your inability to follow a thread? Ironic considering your earlier
comments. 😛 I dunno, did i not give examples, I myself kept a list at one point of
personal insults, it was so extensive that I gave up (note to FMF, this is not to be
construed as a form of vanity), what about the Biblical God is akin to Hitler? that
appears to me to be a form of hate speech.

Hate speech is a poorly defined concept but seems to me to reside in advocating for and inciting
hatred for and violence towards an individual or group based on characteristics over which they
either have no control (age/ethnicity/gender) or for they're beliefs (religious/political/ect) which they
have (or should have) the right to hold and express. (so long as they don't in turn suppress or interfere
with anyone else's right to the same)

It is not hate speech however to criticise someone for actions that they choose to take which harm others.

So for example it's not hate speech to call Hitler evil because the guy murdered or caused to be murdered
tens of millions of people world wide.

So it would be hate speech to (for example) call for all Muslims to be rounded up and killed because they are all
Paedophiles and rapists (as well as flagrantly untrue).

It is not hate speech to say that the god of the bible is an evil psychopath who killed and tortured millions if not
billions of people and who is planning yet more genocide for the future. (particularly since that god of the bible
doesn't actually exist).
Because it is:
A. true
B. not inciting violence.
C. not inciting hatred of anything or anyone other than the perpetrator of the evil actions.
D. Aimed at a fictional character who you couldn't harm even if it was real but especially can't harm as it isn't.


Also simply insulting or offending anyone does not come close to the level of animosity required to move into hate speech.


Hate speech is not a concept I am particularly fond of partly because it's so poorly defined and open to interpretation.

I preferred a simple "you are not permitted to incite violence or advocate breaking the law. And you are not allowed to
impinge on anyone else freedom of speech/expression". (also not allowed to libel but that's more of a civil matter)

Which seemed to me to be clear and comprehensive while maintaining freedom of speech.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think it is hate speech, why dont you?

From wiki -

Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic.

I don't see how comparing the Biblical God to Hitler fits the above description. Would comparing Wodan to Hitler be considered hate speech in your view?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
From wiki -

Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic.

I don't see how comparing the Biblical God to Hitler fits the above description. Would comparing Wodan to Hitler be considered hate speech in your view?

It seeks to vilify God as having the same characteristics as the leader of the National
socialists, in Germany, in the 1930's. I object to the term, sexual orientation, it has no
basis in empirical science and is misleading, sexual preference should be used. Woden
was a pagan God who had human characteristics, you cannot say the same of the
Biblical God.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think it is hate speech, why dont you?

On several occasions you have described comments of mine when I disagreed with you about something as being "hate speech". Are you absolutely sure I have used "hate speech" against you? One wonders what your definition of "hate speech" is.

Originally posted by FMF
On several occasions you have described comments of mine when I disagreed with you about something as being "hate speech". Are you absolutely sure I have used "hate speech" against you? One wonders what your definition of "hate speech" is.

It appears to me to be as Proper Knob points out, attempts to vilify another on the
basis of some characteristic. Swissgambit pointed out also that it may extend to
anything that is overtly critical.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It seeks to vilify God as having the same characteristics as the leader of the National
socialists, in Germany, in the 1930's. I object to the term, sexual orientation, it has no
basis in empirical science and is misleading, sexual preference should be used. Woden
was a pagan God who had human characteristics, you cannot say the same of the
Biblical God.

In what way is "sexual orientation" misleading?


And being a tyrant and genocidal dictator is not on the list of things in the wiki definition of hate speech.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I object to the term, sexual orientation, it has no basis in empirical science and is misleading, sexual preference should be used.

Homosexuality is a "sexual orientation". Do you think that there can be "hate speech" directed at homosexuals?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It appears to me to be as Proper Knob points out, attempts to vilify another on the
basis of some characteristic. Swissgambit pointed out also that it may extend to
anything that is overtly critical.

So for you the meaning of "hate speech" extends to the things I say to you when I disagree with you? Do you ever use "hate speech" on this forum?

Originally posted by googlefudge
In what way is "sexual orientation" misleading?


And being a tyrant and genocidal dictator is not on the list of things in the wiki definition of hate speech.

there is no empirical science to date which demonstrates a sexual orientation, there is
no gay gene, the human genome been mapped already and nada! and even if there
was, predisposition and determination are two different things. For example, if
heterosexuality and homosexuality are indeed, genetically predetermined which the
term sexual orientation predisposes (and therefore mutually exclusive and
unchangeable), then how do we explain bisexuality or people who, suddenly in mid life
change from heterosexuality to homosexuality or vice versa? That is correct you
cannot and therefore the term sexual orientation is inaccurate and misleading.

Originally posted by FMF
Homosexuality is a "sexual orientation". Do you think that there can be "hate speech" directed at homosexuals?

No its not, its a preference. See above.