Originally posted by avalanchethecatjoe beyer, a poster on the Debates forum who hates homosexuals, started suggesting that I have sex with animals - because I posted a few times to say that I supported ending institutionalized discrimination against homosexuals - and this joe beyer was following me all around the web site talking about me me having sex with a gorilla. robbie joined in with some lame joke about a gorilla called Gerald. And he just keeps saying Gerald in his posts. Even joe beyser seems to have given up. And yet robbie is still at it.
Why do you keep calling him Gerald? If you call him FMF it makes following the thread much easier.
Originally posted by FMFok, So their desire, or propensity/inclination to commit rape, or in the case of
Because they were rapists and criminals, and presumably psychopaths.
psychopaths, lack of a functioning conscience led them to suspend, throw-aside,
abandon Islamic values?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think we are in fact discussing why Dasa's thread was pulled, and the reason seems to be because he claimed that all Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. That was the objection raised, and it resulted in the web site deciding it was not in accordance with the TOS.
so do non christians and it is therefore irrelevant, we are discussing those instances
cited by Dasa which were exclusively instances of Muslims perpetrating acts against a
Christian minority.
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Originally posted by FMFok that is fine, it has been established that it was against the terms of agreement to
I think we are in fact discussing why Dasa's thread was pulled, and the reason seems to be because he claimed that all Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. That was the objection raised, and it resulted in the web site deciding it was not in accordance with the TOS.
state that all Muslims were rapists and paedophiles, had he omitted this, then there
would have been some legitimacy to his text or not?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think the "lack of a functioning conscience", that you mention, is the salient point when someone commits a rape. Dasa was citing those rapes in Pakistan as proof that all Muslims are rapists. It would seem that that assertion was the reason his thread was pulled. The assertion is related I think to his assertion that all Muslim men should be wiped out in a genocide.
ok, So their desire, or propensity/inclination to commit rape, or in the case of
psychopaths, lack of a functioning conscience led them to suspend, throw-aside,
abandon Islamic values?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so do non christians and it is therefore irrelevant, we are discussing those instances
cited by Dasa which were exclusively instances of Muslims perpetrating acts against a
Christian minority. Further attempts at obfuscation will also be ignored, as will your
references and you also if you are not careful.
so do non christians and it is therefore irrelevant,...
Non Sequitur.
Your argument as stated is that the Muslim men who rape women demonstrate that the Muslim
faith is incapable of preventing people doing such things and thus can't be a true religion backed
by power of god because a true religion wouldn't have this problem.
This is not in any way an original argument and has been used against most religions at some point.
It is entirely relevant to point out that you can insert pretty much any religion you choose in place
of Islam and make exactly the same argument.
The fact that there are rapists who are not religious at all IS irrelevant because there is no claim that
atheists have some god enforced unbreakable moral code.
...we are discussing those instances
cited by Dasa which were exclusively instances of Muslims perpetrating acts against a
Christian minority.
Yes because dasa selectively chose to focus on a select group of people he disliked and ignored the
context which I seem to recall got his thread removed and yet another forum ban (assuming he isn't just
hiding).
You (and dasa) are making an argument that these acts of violence are an indictment of the entire religion.
It is thus very pertinent to point out that the argument is a double edged sword that equally applies to your
religion.
And if you think we are going to stop making this point simply because you don't like it you are living in cloud
Cuckoo land.
By ignoring our valid arguments you just make yourself look stupid and evasive to everyone else reading the thread.
If you think the comparison is wrong you have to present a valid argument as to why it's wrong.
Dismissing it out of hand wont work.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, "that all Muslims [are] rapists and pedophiles" was Dasa's only point. The selection of some cases where Muslim men had committed rapes was made in order to make that point. I don't know what other point he had. Do you?
ok that is fine, it has been established that it was against the terms of agreement to
state that all Muslims were rapists and paedophiles, had he omitted this, then there
would have been some legitimacy to his text or not?
Originally posted by googlefudgeit is yet to be established whether it does or it doesn't and your insistence that it alsoso do non christians and it is therefore irrelevant,...
Non Sequitur.
Your argument as stated is that the Muslim men who rape women demonstrate that the Muslim
faith is incapable of preventing people doing such things and thus can't be a true religion backed
by power of god because a true religion wouldn't have this problem.
T ...[text shortened]... e to present a valid argument as to why it's wrong.
Dismissing it out of hand wont work.
permeates to christians is irrelevant in the context. Muslims and christians do not
share the same values spanky.
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Originally posted by FMFNo i distinctly remember he cited various instances, about ten or so in all. His point was
Well, "that all Muslims [are] rapists and pedophiles" was Dasa's only point. The selection of some cases where Muslim men had committed rapes was made in order to make that point. I don't know what other point he had. Do you?
of course to demonstrate the illegitimacy of Islam, at least that's what i thought.
Originally posted by FMFok then, on this we agree, I have one further question,
I think the "lack of a functioning conscience", that you mention, is the salient point when someone commits a rape. Dasa was citing those rapes in Pakistan as proof that all Muslims are rapists. It would seem that that assertion was the reason his thread was pulled. The assertion is related I think to his assertion that all Muslim men should be wiped out in a genocide.
3. do you think that adherence to Islam heightens or deadens the consciences
awareness?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell you have already agreed that it has been established that it was against the TOS for him to claim that all Muslims are rapists and pedophiles.
No i distinctly remember he cited various instances, about ten or so in all. His point was
of course to demonstrate the illegitimacy of Islam, at least that's what i thought.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou look really stupid when you make a totally invalid point and end it with 'spanky' like
it is yet to be established whether it does or it doesn't and your insistence that it also
permeates to christians is irrelevant in the context. Muslims and christians do not
share the same values spanky.
you just defeated my arguments.
Actually you come across as a prize idiot anyway this is just the icing on the cake.
I realise that Muslims and Christians don't share the same values (because I am not a
total moron.) However that is again irrelevant to the point.
Because first the argument applies to any action taken by a believer that contradicts the
stated beliefs and values of that faith.
And second because while your values are not the same they are overlapping and violent rape
is not permitted in either.
So your rebuttal is again a nonsense and a Non Sequitur.
Do try harder.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeno its not irrelevant, you are trying to apply the same criteria to another set with
You look really stupid when you make a totally invalid point and end it with 'spanky' like
you just defeated my arguments.
Actually you come across as a prize idiot anyway this is just the icing on the cake.
I realise that Muslims and Christians don't share the same values (because I am not a
total moron.) However that is again irrelevant to th ...[text shortened]... tted in either.
So your rebuttal is again a nonsense and a Non Sequitur.
Do try harder.
completely different values, you look idiotic because you never thought about it, that's
your fault, not mine. all persons decry rape, but we are talking about a specific set of
values , Islam, that is why your insistence on including others is senseless. Your
opinions are meaningless to me.