What happened to the Dasa thread?

Originally posted by FMF
Are you talking to me? 😵

Only in the sense of I was expanding your response to Robbie.

I am of course not suggesting that you were condemning all Muslims for the acts of a few.

Originally posted by FMF
Lets ask you a few questions Gerald, were those who committed those acts of rape, Muslims? yes? then what happened to their Islamic values when they were perpetrating those rapes? If these values had no power to prevent them doing so, then Islam is a mere semblance, a sham, a façade, is it not, otherwise how are we to account for their acts? either thy aban lions of Muslim men who are not rapists? What does them not raping women say about their morals?

why dont you answer the questions Gerald, you were not asked if rape was a
horrendous crime, you were not asked if rapists were criminals, you were not asked
about the morality of millions of Muslims in respect to the act of rape, you were asked
specific questions with regard to the Islamic values of those persons who committed
these acts, weren't you.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Or lets turn the point around and ask the reverse questions with Christian implaced every time you used the word Muslim.

If you can condemn the Islamic faith because believing it does not stop some people from breaking it's tenets then I/we
can do exactly the same to Christianity (ever other religion) every time we find believers breaking the tenets ...[text shortened]... ion is drawn between objecting to a belief system and objecting
to the people who follow it.

predictable and irrelevant, the acts were not perpetrated by christians, they were
perpetrated by Muslims.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
predictable and irrelevant, the acts were not perpetrated by christians, they were
perpetrated by Muslims.

What do you make of rapes perpetrated by Christians?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you were asked specific questions with regard to the Islamic values of those persons who committed these acts, weren't you.

The "values" of Muslim men who carry out rapes cannot be projected onto "all Muslims". That was what Dasa claimed in his OP. If you read the OP you can't have missed it.

Originally posted by FMF
The "values" of Muslim men who carry out rapes cannot be projected onto "all Muslims". That was what Dasa claimed in his OP. If you read the OP you can't have missed it.

let us ask you again, lets see if we can get a straight and honest answer from you,

1. Were those who perpetrated the rapes Muslims or were they not.

Originally posted by FMF
What do you make of rapes perpetrated by Christians?

another irrelevancy, we are not discussing the acts of christians but of Muslims your
attempts to obfuscate will be ignored.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
let us ask you again, lets see if we can get a straight and honest answer from you,

1. Were those who perpetrated the rapes Muslims or were they not.

In the cases that Dasa cited, yes. Dasa doesn't cite cases of rape by people of any other religions. In fact I cannot recall him condemning rape in and of itself, except in cases where it was perpetrated by a man whose religion was Islam.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
another irrelevancy, we are not discussing the acts of christians but of Muslims your
attempts to obfuscate will be ignored.

It's not irrelevant at all, robbie. You asked me about "the Islamic values" of those persons who committed the acts cited by Dasa's OP. To ask you then What you make of rapes perpetrated by Christians is entirely pertinent.

Originally posted by FMF
In the cases that Dasa cited, yes. Dasa doesn't cite cases of rape by people of any other religions. In fact I cannot recall him condemning rape in and of itself, except in cases where it was perpetrated by a man whose religion was Islam.

so those who perpetrated those acts of rape cited by Dasa were Muslims, thank you.

2. Why did their professed adherence to Islam and Islamic values not prevent them
from perpetrating rape?

Originally posted by FMF
It's not irrelevant at all, robbie. You asked me about "the Islamic values" of those persons who committed the acts cited by Dasa's OP. To ask you then What you make of rapes perpetrated by Christians is entirely pertinent.

Its irrelevant and will be ignored.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
predictable and irrelevant, the acts were not perpetrated by christians, they were
perpetrated by Muslims.

Nonsense Christians do these things as well.

Just look at the trouble the Catholic church is in, and the JW church has had it's own
share of rapists and paedophiles and cover-ups. (I have many links/sources of which I
will post one to remind you that I have many links and sources)
http://www.silentlambs.org/education/jwaccused.cfm

So the questions can be asked just as well of Christians as of Muslims and any answer
that applies to Muslims would also apply to Christians.

If you are claiming (as your questions more than insinuate) that the religion must take the
blame for not being a strong enough restraint to stop people doing these things then your
religion is just as at fault for exactly the same thing.

If you are not claiming that then you need to clarify your position because that is how it reads.

Thus, either way, my post was extremely relevant.

Which is why I made it.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Nonsense Christians do these things as well.

Just look at the trouble the Catholic church is in, and the JW church has had it's own
share of rapists and paedophiles and cover-ups. (I have many links/sources of which I
will post one to remind you that I have many links and sources)
http://www.silentlambs.org/education/jwaccused.cfm

So th ...[text shortened]... s how it reads.

Thus, either way, my post was extremely relevant.

Which is why I made it.

so do non christians and it is therefore irrelevant, we are discussing those instances
cited by Dasa which were exclusively instances of Muslims perpetrating acts against a
Christian minority. Further attempts at obfuscation will also be ignored, as will your
references and you also if you are not careful.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why dont you answer the questions Gerald, you were not asked if rape was a
horrendous crime, you were not asked if rapists were criminals, you were not asked
about the morality of millions of Muslims in respect to the act of rape, you were asked
specific questions with regard to the Islamic values of those persons who committed
these acts, weren't you.

Why do you keep calling him Gerald? If you call him FMF it makes following the thread much easier.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
2. Why did their professed adherence to Islam and Islamic values not prevent them from perpetrating rape?

Because they were rapists and criminals, and presumably psychopaths.