What is a "Soul"?

Originally posted by daniel58
No the soul exists, no one can "kill" it not even God, l.

This is why I said you are a nutcase. Christ clearly states that God can kill the soul. Why is it that so many of your religious beliefs have no Biblical support.

Originally posted by Rajk999
This is why I said you are a nutcase. Christ clearly states that God can kill the soul. Why is it that so many of your religious beliefs have no Biblical support.

Genesis, chapter 1, verse 26; "And He said; Let us make man to our likeness and image". If man is made in His likeness and image, and God doesn't die in heaven or cease to exist, then how can you say man does?

Originally posted by daniel58
Genesis, chapter 1, verse 26; "And He said; Let us make man to our likeness and image". If man is made in His likeness and image, and God doesn't die in heaven or cease to exist, then how can you say man does?

And that makes sense to you?

Originally posted by Rajk999
And that makes sense to you?

Yes, doesn't it to you or are you not capable of comprehending that?

Originally posted by Rajk999
This is why I said you are a nutcase. Christ clearly states that God can kill the soul. Why is it that so many of your religious beliefs have no Biblical support.

I think Jesus is simply being rhetorical. He is setting up a contrast between the threat to the body and threat to the soul. The message is obviously that one should be more concerned for the soul rather then what could happen to the body. You are reading to much into it if you think it is a philosophical treaty on the destructibility of the human soul. The point is not to enunciate the properties of the soul but to warn disciples to concentrate on spiritual things.

Anyway, an omnipotent God should have the power to destroy the soul. I think Daniel errs on this point. But as a good Catholic he would have to believe that God would not destroy the soul, even if He could.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I think Jesus is simply being rhetorical. He is setting up a contrast between the threat to the body and threat to the soul. The message is obviously that one should be more concerned for the soul rather then what could happen to the body. You are reading to much into it if you think it is a philosophical treaty on the destructibility of the human soul. The ...[text shortened]... a good Catholic he would have to believe that God would not destroy the soul, even if He could.

Right God doesn't "undo" things that He already did if He made the soul to be immortal then He cannot undo it.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I think Jesus is simply being rhetorical. He is setting up a contrast between the threat to the body and threat to the soul. The message is obviously that one should be more concerned for the soul rather then what could happen to the body. You are reading to much into it if you think it is a philosophical treaty on the destructibility of the human soul. The ...[text shortened]... a good Catholic he would have to believe that God would not destroy the soul, even if He could.

So God is capable of destroying the soul. Thanks.
The rest of your analysis is speculation.

If all youall have to go on is that Genessis passage (likeness and image does not mean 'possessing all the characteristics'😉, then I would say that the evidence in the Bible and the clarity of the statements by Christ point to a soul that survives the body but still is capable of being killed by God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
So God is capable of destroying the soul. Thanks.
The rest of your analysis is speculation.

If all youall have to go on is that Genessis passage (likeness and image does not mean 'possessing all the characteristics'😉, then I would say that the evidence in the Bible and the clarity of the statements by Christ point to a soul that survives the body but still is capable of being killed by God.

The rest of your analysis is speculation.

I don't think so. I think it quite obvious that this is a moral exhortation, not a teaching about the nature of the soul. It is quite plausible to interpret the destruction of the soul here as purely rhetorical.

If all youall have to go on is that Genessis passage (likeness and image does not mean 'possessing all the characteristics'😉, then I would say that the evidence in the Bible and the clarity of the statements by Christ point to a soul that survives the body but still is capable of being killed by God.

Do you suffer short-term memory loss? I didn't put forward the Genesis passage. I was agreeing that God should be able to destroy the soul. I was just disputing that Jesus clearly teaches this.

Originally posted by daniel58
Right God doesn't "undo" things that He already did if He made the soul to be immortal then He cannot undo it.

He can undo, but won't.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]The rest of your analysis is speculation.

I don't think so. I think it quite obvious that this is a moral exhortation, not a teaching about the nature of the soul. It is quite plausible to interpret the destruction of the soul here as purely rhetorical.

If all youall have to go on is that Genessis passage (likeness and image does not mean ' ...[text shortened]... should be able to destroy the soul. I was just disputing that Jesus clearly teaches this.[/b]

What about Exekiel :

EZE 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Seems clear to me. There is actually no support for your view that the soul cannot be killed or wont be killed by God.

Originally posted by Conrau K
He can undo, but won't.

He can -- FACT

He wont -- SPECULATION.

Understand the difference.

Originally posted by Rajk999
He can -- FACT

He wont -- SPECULATION.

Understand the difference.

Daniel is a Catholic and I am merely clarifying Catholic dogma. I am not arguing a particular Scriptural interpretation but stating a fact about Catholic dogma.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What about Exekiel :

EZE 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Seems clear to me. There is actually no support for your view that the soul cannot be killed or wont be killed by God.

What is the point in engaging in a discussion about Scripture with a person who proudly proclaims that he does not use concordances or consult commentaries? But if it pleases you, you can also find in the Scripture:

Isaiah 26:19: "thy dead shall live, my dead bodies shall rise again. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust"

Daniel 12:2: "and many of those that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake: some unto everlasting life, and others to everlasting shame and contempt".

There are also an abundance of New Testament teachings which imply the immortality of the soul which will experience eternal heaven or suffer eternal hell, presupposing that the soul will not be destroyed: Matthew 5:29; 8:12; 10:28; 13:42; 25:41, 46; 2 Thessalonians 1:8; Revelation 21:8.

Originally posted by Conrau K
What is the point in engaging in a discussion about Scripture with a person who proudly proclaims that he does not use concordances or consult commentaries? But if it pleases you, you can also find in the Scripture:

Isaiah 26:19: "thy dead shall live, my dead bodies shall rise again. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust"

Daniel 12:2: "and many o ...[text shortened]... estroyed: Matthew 5:29; 8:12; 10:28; 13:42; 25:41, 46; 2 Thessalonians 1:8; Revelation 21:8.

Many shall awake, Not all. Thats the gist of the teaching of the Bible.

Rom 2: 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:

Originally posted by Rajk999
Many shall awake, Not all. Thats the gist of the teaching of the Bible.

Rom 2: 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:

So you are of the opinion that some will 'wake' for eternal punishment, others will 'wake' to live in heaven, while others will just sleep? It seems clear to me, at least from the NT, that there will be a resurrection of all and then a judgement.