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24 Jul 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes it is an interesting issue. I don't have answers either.
It is a complex issue, but we should consider the alternative side of things ie if we are a different person every day, why should we care about what happens to the other new person that gets created tomorrow? Yes I know it is instinctual, but is it logical?
Another way to look at it is clones, if you could be copied exactly, would you care what happened ...[text shortened]... you were given the opportunity to resurrect your former self of 10 years ago - would you care?
I think a parallel set of analogies has been proposed involving accidents with transporter technology from the popular tv sci fi show Star Trek.
Central to the issue for me is that agents are things that it is like something to be. What is it about when I wake up tomorrow that means there is an apparent continuity of identity? I think these are very difficult questions to think about.
24 Jul 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou are alive because of your soul, you could not think without it or reason, it's eventually going to one of two places, Heaven or Hell, let's all hope it goes to Heaven.
A good or bad thing for who is the real question. If I am sufficiently modified upon resurrection - or arrival in heaven, them am I still me? Most importantly, do I have any motivation to get that new improved resurrected fellow any benefits? I keep getting told by theists that it is absolutely critical that I must do certain things for the good of my sou ...[text shortened]... to be able to tell me who this sole is and so I don't know if I really care what happens to it.
25 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58But why should I hope that it goes to heaven? Whats in it for me? Unless I get a better understanding of what that soul you talk of is, I really can't feel any sympathy for it.
You are alive because of your soul, you could not think without it or reason, it's eventually going to one of two places, Heaven or Hell, let's all hope it goes to Heaven.
26 Jul 09
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Originally posted by daniel58I still don't feel any sympathy for it. If I don't know what this 'soul' thing is then I really don't care where it ends up. You can scare it all you like with tales of hells furnaces, but it don't bother me in the slightest.
The only other option is Hell.
26 Jul 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadIT'S YOU, YOU WILL FEEL THE PAIN, SO WATCH OUT!!!
I still don't feel any sympathy for it. If I don't know what this 'soul' thing is then I really don't care where it ends up. You can scare it all you like with tales of hells furnaces, but it don't bother me in the slightest.
27 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58Using all CAPS doesn't make you right. So if my soul is me, then why call it a 'soul'? Why not just call it me? And are you serious that my nerves will still exist in hell? Will my physical body still be there, or will I be given a new set of nerves in order to 'feel the pain'?
IT'S YOU, YOU WILL FEEL THE PAIN, SO WATCH OUT!!!
And which 'me' will it be anyway? Me aged 5? Me aged 100? Me with amnesia?
27 Jul 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhy do you call your body, your body? Why not just call it you? It's the spiritual part of you, that's the part that God made "in His likeness and image", you will be given back your body at the Last Judgement, probably about the age 30 or so.
Using all CAPS doesn't make you right. So if my soul is me, then why call it a 'soul'? Why not just call it me? And are you serious that my nerves will still exist in hell? Will my physical body still be there, or will I be given a new set of nerves in order to 'feel the pain'?
And which 'me' will it be anyway? Me aged 5? Me aged 100? Me with amnesia?
28 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58I don't have a 'spiritual' part.
Why do you call your body, your body? Why not just call it you? It's the spiritual part of you, that's the part that God made "in His likeness and image", you will be given back your body at the Last Judgement, probably about the age 30 or so.
28 Jul 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes you do what do you think God ws referring to when He said He made us in His "Likness and Image"? He is not materail, have you noticed what seperates us from animals? It's our reason, which we could not have without a "spiritual Part" of us.
I don't have a 'spiritual' part.