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Free sense of will, free exercise of charity, up and approaching to eternal marriage, if two souls consented to progression together; this requires a god exaltation higher than any resurrected human glorification. In heaven the desire for unity beyond anything physical will be outside your complete control, since our bodies are not our own.
The covenant before had extreme consequences for purposes of setting down a lesson. One of which is not to use the seer stone or crystals without due permission. Seer stones throughout time were used for supernatural revelation. New age religion either took advantage of the new law, thereby not facing the same consequence, or were granted temporal revelation.
That all means, depending on conditions of apostasy, personal state or position in the greater community, and the universal ecclesial leaders' guidance, lay churchgoing members are affected as are beliefs in general.
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1 Nephi 1:20
But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of deliverance.
1 Nephi 10:18–21
For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him. For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.
Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment. Wherefore, if ye have sought to do wickedly in the days of your probation, then ye are found unclean before the judgment-seat of God; and no unclean thing can dwell with God; wherefore, ye must be cast off forever.
@moonbus saidYou should line up history with reality.
Nay, tis not I who does this. This has been official Christian doctrine since before the NT was even written down. The Apostles taught the first bishops, and the bishops taught other bishops, and the bishops , 300 years later, decided which scrolls to canonize and which ones to burn.
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Moonbus v KellyJay.
An interesting discussion, but, as with all spiritual sparrings, destined to be unresolved. Moonbus’s great quote of Cardinal Newman’s (For the Christian the most important thing in life is the leaving of it) seems to me to be central to the canon of standard Christianity. Kellyjay, I suspect, is approaching Christianity from a newer more charismatic branch where greater emphasis is placed on the workings of the spirit.
@Pianoman1 saidNothing new about what I have been saying.
Moonbus v KellyJay.
An interesting discussion, but, as with all spiritual sparrings, destined to be unresolved. Moonbus’s great quote of Cardinal Newman’s (For the Christian the most important thing in life is the leaving of it) seems to me to be central to the canon of standard Christianity. Kellyjay, I suspect, is approaching Christianity from a newer more charismatic branch where greater emphasis is placed on the workings of the spirit.
@KellyJay saidThe question is whether a small group of people could control what the different books of the Bible say, and which books were included in the Bible. No way that could have happened. We have a lot of documents that were decades older than the originals, and they were on different continents and written in different languages. No one could control that without comparison tests showing something was added or taken away. Tens of thousands of documents were used, and tests applied to authorship and their validity. He has been told this and still promotes that lie.
Nothing new about what I have been saying.
@Suzianne saidAs you know, I have no quarrel whatever with the way Jesus acted: healing the sick, comforting the desperate, refusing to cast a stone against an accused adulteress, and so on.
Real Christianity (Yes, I know that sounds like the True Scotsman analogy) depicts a life here on Earth, to help our brothers live their lives to the fullest, led by Jesus' advice how to follow God, not trying to beat each other down.
" ... I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." -- John 10:10, KJV
False Christianity focuses o ...[text shortened]... ng, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." -- John 10:16, KJV
My entire quarrel is the with the @kellyjay types who a) put scripture above the Apostles, b) ceaselessly quote scripture at us, c) offer their own personal interpretations of scripture with no seminary training in dead languages or exegesis, d) constantly remind us how sinful he thinks everyone is, e) can't get his mind round the idea that God might have spoken to mankind more than once in different times and in different idioms, f) think themselves to be true Christians, and g) this bizarre emphasis on belief (cf. my quote from Cardinal Newman--you must believe what you ought).
I've said this before and I'll say it again: if there is a Last Judgment, what will be judged is not what you believe. What will be judged is not whether you believe in The Trinity or whether Jesus was born of a virgin or died for anyone's sins but his own. Nor will it be a quiz on how much scripture you can quote.
I really don't get why many Christians put so much store by calling themselves "Christians" or "true Christians." For 2,000 years, Christians have been slagging each other off as 'false Christians,' and, as far as I am concerned, that is the true face of Christianity. Why can't they just heal the sick, comfort the desperate, not cast aspersions against others, as Jesus did, and forget about what to call it?
Buddhists don't make big deal about calling themselves Buddhists. One of my Buddhist friends says I'm a Buddhist, I just don't know it yet.
@Oblation-Ants saidQuoting the Book of Mormon here is a bold move.
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Free sense of will, free exercise of charity, up and approaching to eternal marriage, if two souls consented to progression together; this requires a god exaltation higher than any resurrected human glorification. In heaven the desire for unity beyond anything physical will be outside your complete control, since our bodies are not our own.
The covenant before ...[text shortened]... nt-seat of God; and no unclean thing can dwell with God; wherefore, ye must be cast off forever.[/i]
@KellyJay saidReligion, to you, is just a way to slag off other people who do not accede to your ideas on belief. A way to "speak with authority". It's a good that that is not what "religious authority" or "moral authority" is about. To you it acts as "proof" of being better than others. Jesus went among the lowest in his society. His message was for them especially, since it was about having a more abundant life, not lording it over others.
You have a to-do list, so you have no clue what you're talking about, since you can do the to-do on your list, and if you miss Christ, it will not matter.
The good Samaritan did not choose to help the man in the street because he was "better" than him, or because he was in the same "club". He was a stranger, in every sense of the word, and yet he saw a brother human being in trouble and acted, for him, not for himself. Helping others is not about how it honors you. It's about caring for someone in need. It is about loving others as you love yourself, how you would wish others to help you. It is about what they get out of it, not what you get out of it.
Jesus also admonished against doing your prayers in public, so you can be seen by others ("oh, look how religious he is" ), he suggested you do your prayers in secret, where God can see you, without taking honor before men.
Too many Christians believe religion is about them. Yes, there is benefit for you, if one is serious, and humble, but it surely is not about exalting oneself, especially over others. This is where groups like Turning Point USA fail.
@moonbus saidJesus was not free from his condemnation of the Pharisees.
As you know, I have no quarrel whatever with the way Jesus acted: healing the sick, comforting the desperate, refusing to cast a stone against an accused adulteress, and so on.
My entire quarrel is the with the @kellyjay types who a) put scripture above the Apostles, b) ceaselessly quote scripture at us, c) offer their own personal interpretations of scripture with no sem ...[text shortened]... ling themselves Buddhists. One of my Buddhist friends says I'm a Buddhist, I just don't know it yet.
But he also had a problem with people acting like the Pharisees, and he used the name freely as a pejorative among those who were not Pharisees, but acted like them nevertheless.
He laid the smack down on them in Matthew 23.
@Suzianne saidYou do a lot of projections, and you put others down by the way you tell them what they believe and what they mean.
Religion, to you, is just a way to slag off other people who do not accede to your ideas on belief. A way to "speak with authority". It's a good that that is not what "religious authority" or "moral authority" is about. To you it acts as "proof" of being better than others. Jesus went among the lowest in his society. His message was for them especially, since it ...[text shortened]... t about exalting oneself, especially over others. This is where groups like Turning Point USA fail.
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@Suzianne saidWell said.
Religion, to you, is just a way to slag off other people who do not accede to your ideas on belief. A way to "speak with authority". It's a good that that is not what "religious authority" or "moral authority" is about. To you it acts as "proof" of being better than others. Jesus went among the lowest in his society. His message was for them especially, since it ...[text shortened]... t about exalting oneself, especially over others. This is where groups like Turning Point USA fail.
@Suzianne saidClassic case of worshiping religion instead of worshiping God.
Religion, to you, is just a way to slag off other people who do not accede to your ideas on belief. A way to "speak with authority". It's a good that that is not what "religious authority" or "moral authority" is about. To you it acts as "proof" of being better than others. Jesus went among the lowest in his society. His message was for them especially, since it ...[text shortened]... t about exalting oneself, especially over others. This is where groups like Turning Point USA fail.
@Suzianne saidYou have put your finger on one of the aspects of Christianity as an organized religion, as distinct from the way of Jesus as a spiritual path, which I find most troubling. Paul says to obey one's masters in all things, to obey authority, because God hath established that authority. I'm sure you know the passages in question, as they are often enough quoted.
Jesus was not free from his condemnation of the Pharisees.
But he also had a problem with people acting like the Pharisees, and he used the name freely as a pejorative among those who were not Pharisees, but acted like them nevertheless.
He laid the smack down on them in Matthew 23.
Ephesians 6:5-9, Colossians 3:22-24.
One has to ask, what authority is Paul referring to here? Roman society at the time of Paul was heavily dependent upon slave labor--some estimates put the slave population of Rome at roughly 1/3 of the total. Now, if I were a Roman emperor just converted to Christianity, I would very much welcome a religion which taught people, especially slaves, to obey their masters--for political reasons which are too obvious to need explaining here. So it would be very much in my interest as a newly converted Christian emperor to convene an Ecumenical Council to canonize exactly those books, especially Paul's, which emphasized conformity to central authority and the idea that everyone must follow the same rules as laid down by Ecumenical Councils and established political institutions.
But one also has to ask, is this what Jesus actually taught, by word or deed? Did Jesus himself think he, or anyone else for that matter, should obey either the local religious authorities, or the local Roman governor, because God had established them? I don't think any sensible person can read the four gospels and come to that conclusion. Jesus came into conflict with the local Jewish authorities, for preaching in the synagogues and infringing upon what the Jewish priests thought of as their spiritual domain, and they denounced him to the Roman governor as a blasphemer and a seditionist.
Jesus was by no means a rule-conformist; Jesus was an iconoclast, a rebel, a breaker of traditional rules (for example, by refusing to stone an accused adulteress, which was what the rules at that time and place demanded).
@moonbus saidI like C.S. Lewis’ take on Christianity.
You have put your finger on one of the aspects of Christianity as an organized religion, as distinct from the way of Jesus as a spiritual path, which I find most troubling. Paul says to obey one's masters in all things, to obey authority, because God hath established that authority. I'm sure you know the passages in question, as they are often enough quoted.
Ephesians 6:5- ...[text shortened]... refusing to stone an accused adulteress, which was what the rules at that time and place demanded).
“God in the dock"
“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance.
The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.”