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I have herd there is a diffrence between the gift of tounges and praying in tounges anyone hear this or have scripture to show this to be true? Thanks Kevin
Originally posted by Kevin McfarlandHi Kevin,
I have herd there is a diffrence between the gift of tounges and praying in tounges anyone hear this or have scripture to show this to be true? Thanks Kevin
Originally posted by xpoferensIf I recall correctly the word used for the "tongues" in Acts are different from the tongues in Corinthians, but perhaps best to differ to Visteads on this one. The ones n Acts were foreign languages that were understood by all, where the ones in Corinthians were jibberish.
Hi Kevin,
In my opinion, these special gifts have ceased after the apostolic age.
KellyJay for example disagrees, and we are discussing the subject.
However, I think the Bible makes it clear that these tongues were actually foreign languages.
Regards
Originally posted by kirksey957According to a quick search in the NRS version, the word “tongue” appears 20 times in the NT. The Greek word is glossa, which can mean a physical tongue, language, or simply utterance. For example, it is the word in Acts 2:3, speaking of “tongues of fire;” and in James 1:26, speaking about people who do not “bridle their tongues.”
If I recall correctly the word used for the "tongues" in Acts are different from the tongues in Corinthians, but perhaps best to differ to Visteads on this one. The ones n Acts were foreign languages that were understood by all, where the ones in Corinthians were jibberish.
I believe there are cases of estatic tongues throughout many cultures and religions.
Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland1 Corinthians 14:14
I have herd there is a diffrence between the gift of tounges and praying in tounges anyone hear this or have scripture to show this to be true? Thanks Kevin
Originally posted by xpoferensI do not have a lot of time and I now that I about think that it is a
Hi everyone,
KellyJay,
As in a previous post I stated that special gifts were over, and, since you questioned me about that, we started this conversation. I never said these gifts were more important than the Giver.
Regarding this subject, I surely believe in the power of prayer and faith, and I believe God listens to us and helps us with our prob ...[text shortened]... fts ceased.
Could you please tell me (in your opinion ) what is going on today?
Take care.
Originally posted by KellyJayHi KellyJay,
I do not have a lot of time and I now that I about think that it is a
good thing, or I'd attempt to write a post the size of a book. 🙁 I
dislike reading those, but not as much as writing them. 🙂 I do believe
we will be better served just taking on one point of this discussion at a
time and dealing with it verses my attempts of hitting all the points a ...[text shortened]... unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayHi KellyJay,
I do not have a lot of time and I now that I about think that it is a
good thing, or I'd attempt to write a post the size of a book. 🙁 I
dislike reading those, but not as much as writing them. 🙂 I do believe
we will be better served just taking on one point of this discussion at a
time and dealing with it verses my attempts of hitting all the points a ...[text shortened]... unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Kelly
Originally posted by xpoferensAfter the closing of the apostolic age, new knowledge would not be available, nor tongues (languages) for that matter.
Hi KellyJay,
These tounges were the supernatural ability to speak an unlearned language; the same way, this knowledge was the ability for a disciple to have supernatural revelation.
After the closing of the apostolic age, new knowledge would not be available, nor tongues (languages) for that matter.
The following passage agrees with that; please n Spirit only bestowed them by the laying of their (the apostles) hands.
Take care
Originally posted by KellyJayHi,
[b]After the closing of the apostolic age, new knowledge would not be available, nor tongues (languages) for that matter.
I don't believe this statement is proof, it does not come from scripture
is simply is you telling me what you believe, not why. What scripture
points to an 'apostolic age' where when it is over means that we would
not reciev that
prophesieth edifieth the church. "
Looking forward to your reply.
Kelly[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo God is no longer able to heal? Where does it say that God stopped healing people or stopped having the power or will to heal people? Is healing childish? Where does it say that Paul healed people? Is it not God working through Paul? I have witnessed healing in others. I know God has and continues to heal from personal experience.
No, the gifts that Paul spoke of as passing away in 1 Corinthians 13 have, indeed, expired. Even within that passage, Paul speaks of putting away childish things and becoming as a man. In another passage, Paul speaks of his inability to heal any longer.
All signposts of the gospels and the epistles point to the efficacy of the soon-to-be completed Scripture, which we have in our possession today.
Originally posted by whodeyI never said God didn't heal any longer. I believe in the power of prayer.
So God is no longer able to heal? Where does it say that God stopped healing people or stopped having the power or will to heal people? Is healing childish? Where does it say that Paul healed people? Is it not God working through Paul? I have witnessed healing in others. I know God has and continues to heal from personal experience.
Originally posted by xpoferensActually I don't see anything yet that suggests God was going to stop
Hi,
You don't always need specific sentences to accept something; I think the passage in I Corinthians 13 speak about a cessation and the one in Jude speak about "the faith which was once and for all delivered unto the saints". Once and for all.
As well, you haven't yet told me what you think about what is written in the book of Acts concerning the ...[text shortened]... matic movements is something else; I can address that point if you wish.
Take care
Originally posted by KellyJayHi KellyJay,
Actually I don't see anything yet that suggests God was going to stop
moving through His people at all, not one reference in any scripture.
The only thing I get so far is that "...the faith which was once and for
all delivered unto the saints." Okay, the faith was once and for all
delivered unto the saints, and that says what about the gifts of the
Spi ...[text shortened]... ell on the people in the
upper room in Acts 2, or did God just do what God wanted?
Kelly