@josephw saidYou're not going to believe this :
You express a lot of personal opinions that don't hold water here or in the real world.
"God is the hypostatization of eschatological concerns."
Rubbish. You live in a world of fantasy if you think your opinions about the existence of God and the resurrection of Jesus are anything but an act of denialism.
As FMF would say, yours and pianoman1's exchange can be classified as confirmation bias with regards to your opinions of anthropogeny concerns.
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
just read it anyway.
@pb1022 saidVerily, you do not understand atheism. Apparently you think it is just another belief system with a great big God-shaped hole in it.
Atheists (at least atheists on the Internet) always seem to think people believe in God because they can’t stand having the big questions unanswered. I have yet to come across a single believer who says that’s why he or she believes in God.
Atheism, as Carl Sagan once said, is “very stupid.”
“An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows ...[text shortened]... hat.
I believe atheists aren’t people who deny God exists as much as they’re people who hate God.
"I object to the word atheist. There isn't a word for not believing in fairies."
--Jonathan Miller
@sonship saidI wouldn't have. Such a conversation topic would be preposterous. If I'd had the chance to talk to Tutu, the topics would have probably been organizing resistance to tyranny and the whole process of peace and reconciliation. If Tutu was inspired and empowered to do the things he did by his belief in - and "attraction" to - Jesus Christ, that'd be fine. But it wouldn't be the topic of our conversation.
I know that you admired Desmond Tutu. I also do.
Desmond Tutu found Christ attractive.
If you could have spoken with him what would you have told him was more
worthy of attraction than Jesus Christ ?
@moonbus saidWho here is pushing fairies?
Verily, you do not understand atheism. Apparently you think it is just another belief system with a great big God-shaped hole in it.
"I object to the word atheist. There isn't a word for not believing in fairies."
--Jonathan Miller
@kellyjay saidTheists and I very often find ourselves talking at cross purposes here.
Who here is pushing fairies?
If you think I think someone here is pushing fairies, you've missed the point. I don't think someone here is pushing fairies. My comment was linguistic, not theological. There isn't a word for not believing in fairies. There isn't a word for not believing in kobolds. There isn't a word for not believing in elves. There isn't a word for not believing in goblins. Atheism is the default position; everyone is born lacking belief in deities. I don't see why there should be a word for the default position. Only someone not in the default position, namely a theist, would think up such a word. A religion hell-bent on burning people at the stake who lack belief in goblins, fairies, elves, or kobolds would coin a word for this.
@moonbus saidI understood the meaning, which is why I rejected it. The default position is we are flawed creatures, we have a variety of views about everything, that doesn't mean what we believe at birth is true or not, our beliefs don't form reality, we are in reality, and we are grappling with what is or isn't true. Our moral notions are also fragmented; it doesn't mean what some (the proper worldview) believe is true and others not; what is true doesn't depend on us, our assertions and opinions will always remain just assertions and opinions even if what we are saying and thinking is correct.
Theists and I very often find ourselves talking at cross purposes here.
If you think I think someone here is pushing fairies, you've missed the point. I don't think someone here is pushing fairies. My comment was linguistic, not theological. There isn't a word for not believing in fairies. There isn't a word for not believing in kobolds. There isn't a word for not believi ...[text shortened]... ople at the stake who lack belief in goblins, fairies, elves, or kobolds would coin a word for this.
You can accept God or not; that will not change if God is real or not. You can accept that there is one God, that doesn't mean that what you believe about that one God is true or not. Accepting many gods doesn't mean that what you think about many gods is true or not. Rejecting all of the above one or many doesn't mean that what you accept is true or not either.
The thing about truth, it doesn't conflict with itself, ever! If something was true in the 1800's it remains so, opinions might change truth doesn't. Some object that we might believe is true could be in a state of flux, so it is changing, but the changing isn't mean the truth about it changes! The truth about it would change, as it does. Consider temperature outside; it changes, but whatever it is at any point in someplace is the truth of it, no matter how much time passes or where you are.
I believe God is the living truth; that doesn't change.