Originally posted by tomtom232Well if you made some "little sin" then you would probably go to purgatory.
Yeah, it was a typo. They believe there are in essence three kingdoms. Only the righteous get to be in the celestial kingdom though but you won't be eternally punished just because you made some little sin and didn't ask for forgiveness. God is love afterall.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think I finally understand you now. You hate the idea of people playing at righteousness and just going through the motions of faith , thinking that mere rituals and words are worth something - yes?
To have eternal life one must become one with the eternal: truth, love, compassion, justice, etc. Eternal life is living in the domain of the eternal. One must BE righteous to have eternal life.
Those who believe that they need only profess the proper beliefs, perform the proper rituals, etc. ultimately do so in order to feel secure in self-centeredness and are deceiving themselves as well as others.
You detest the superficiality of it all and it's cheapness. Men can be hypocritical and judgemental whilst at the same time thinking that mere "belief" gets them off the hook. Righteousness has to be lived - yes?
With all this I agree with you (ironically so would St Paul). What I think has happened is that you hate this so much that it's caused you to miss the role of grace and faith. It seems to be the classic baby/bath water thinking that we all suffer from in some ways.
The problem is that Jesus clearly showed by his actions on the cross that salvation via faith through grace is indeed possible when he told the thief he would be in paradise on the basis of his faith. So for Jesus salvation can also be gifted out freely from the heart of a loving God.
The thief had come to faith because the Spirit had prompted him to see Jesus for who he really was. No doubt the man was desperate (as he was dying) but the impression we get from Jesus as he talks to this man is certainly positive. There is no indication that Jesus sees his faith as superficial or shallow and he is happy (joyous even? ) to grant salvation on the basis of him professing belief in him. This was not "cheap grace."
Ultimately , you have created a false dichotomy between righteousness and salvation by faith. The baby has been well and truely chucked down the drain. Unfortunately for your ideology Jesus did not apparently throw the idea out so easily and reserved the right to grant eternal life to whomever he pleased and whoever was ready to receive it (righteous or not)
Yes , we must become one with the eternal and become righteous but we cannot do this unless the eternal draws close to us. We cannot even perform a righteous act unless God helps us via grace to do so. Our very existence is a gift from God. So although we must be righteous we must also be righteous in the clear knowledge that "there but for the grace of God go I"
Find the baby you have thrown away , ToO, and your understanding of Jesus will be opened up immediately.
Bear in mind that Paul was no lover of cheap grace either , so whilst you seem to subtle paint all grace theology as somehow ignoring righteousness , a reading of St Paul will show you otherwise.
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Pretend you have 2 minutes to explain salvation to an enquiring unbeliever. What are the key facts assuming the person has the ability to believe what you say - what indeed would you say. A question to all faiths and denominations especially:
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Ask Jesus to save you, period.
"Lord Jesus, I receive you as my Lord and Savior. Thankyou Lord Jesus. Thankyou for bearing all my sins on your cross. I receive You Lord Jesus. "
Originally posted by karoly aczelAre you sure we are in purgatory or is it hell? Everything is backwards here. For me it is hell. A person works his young years away in order to retire with an old body. Control freaks run everything. A person sees his loved ones die. Sickness brought on by microbes and viruses. Insects and rodents beeing a vector for sickness. War killing our children. Abortion. etc...... Nothing is sacred here. If it werent for spending time with my kids and tabasco sauce, I would just be a shriviled up piece of donkey dukey waiting to get the hell out of here. Or the other way around.🙂
We're in puurgatory now.
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Originally posted by joe beyseryou like Tabasco sauce? i never tried it, is it hot? hottest chillies i tasted were scotch bonnets, they are spherical kind of like little tomatoes, instead of long and thin, like other chilli peppers. i love chillies , but man, i never tasted anything like those.
Are you sure we are in purgatory or is it hell? Everything is backwards here. For me it is hell. A person works his young years away in order to retire with an old body. Control freaks run everything. A person sees his loved ones die. Sickness brought on by microbes and viruses. Insects and rodents beeing a vector for sickness. War killing our children. A ...[text shortened]... riviled up piece of donkey dukey waiting to get the hell out of here. Or the other way around.🙂
Most Scotch Bonnets have a heat rating of 100,000–350,000 Scoville Units. For comparison most jalapeños have a heat rating of 2,500 to 8,000 on the Scoville scale. - wikipedia.
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There is no purgatory taught in the Bible. That is some purifying process which commences upon one's death which length of time can be shortened by the purchase of endulgences or the prayers of priests.
Generally speaking you cannot fight heresy with heresy. Only a proper understanding of Bible truth can counter a Bible heresy.
Now that may not always be easy. But trying to correct one wrong teaching with another wrong teaching is not helpful.
Bible heresies are usually not totally without some apparant ground. Bible errors are often a little error mixed into some truth. When you add some untruth in with much truth you get a heresy.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat sounds like something I tried once. They were little orange pumpkin shaped peppers about the size of a quarter. I barely got a tooth into one of them and I was in pain. Tabasco sauce is hot by most peoples standards but not to bad. It has been one of my favorites for years. Not so much for the heat but the overall flavor. It has enough vineger in it that makes it good with anything.
you like Tabasco sauce? i never tried it, is it hot? hottest chillies i tasted were scotch bonnets, they are spherical kind of like little tomatoes, instead of long and thin, like other chilli peppers. i love chillies , but man, i never tasted anything like those.
Most Scotch Bonnets have a heat rating of 100,000–350,000 Scoville Units. For com ...[text shortened]... rison most jalapeños have a heat rating of 2,500 to 8,000 on the Scoville scale. - wikipedia.
Originally posted by joe beyserLol, yep, the are the ones! first time i see Tabasco sauce is in Speedy Gonzalez cartoon, which he feeds to Sylvester the pussy cat and it turns him into a kind of Tabasco fuelled rocket!
That sounds like something I tried once. They were little orange pumpkin shaped peppers about the size of a quarter. I barely got a tooth into one of them and I was in pain. Tabasco sauce is hot by most peoples standards but not to bad. It has been one of my favorites for years. Not so much for the heat but the overall flavor. It has enough vineger in it that makes it good with anything.