Originally posted by @sonshipI have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.
But you have belief and opinion that certainly my belief is wrong.
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Originally posted by @fmfYou have nothing here.
I have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.
There is no vision of the dead Jesus in Revelation.
There is the vision of resurrected and glorified Jesus in Revelation (chapter 1).
Mohammed himself thought he might be receiving messages from demons in the cave at first. Two women in his life encouraged him to keep receiving them. No parallel there to the writing of Revelation.
The teaching of Satan and his angels with some humans going into the eternal punishment of eternal fire is not restricted to the book of Revelation. It can also be seen in the Gospel of Matthew chapter 25.
Some things called "preposterous" by darkened minds like yours could nonetheless be true.
Your best bet is to just stick with your rote dogmatic defense - "I don't know."
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Originally posted by @fmfSee? Your mind is so darkened that you call this a vision of the dead Jesus.
I have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.
"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead and He placed His right hand on me saying,
Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. And I BECAME DEAD, and behold, I AM LIVING forever and ever;
and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:17,18)
In the drunken stupor of your "lack of belief" your darkened mind sees that as a vision of the "dead Jesus."
Sick.
Originally posted by @fmfNeither of us knows how to explain an eternally existing universe that has not completely run down into cold dark ashes after so long.
Neither of us knows the age or the origin of the universe.
You certainly don't, can't and won't try.
God as its supernatural origin is more believable than the theory you REFUSE to attempt to explain.
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Originally posted by @fmfWhat does Christ's being executed by the Romans have to do with it ??
He was executed by the Romans.
Five hundred people (most of whom) were alive at the time of Paul's writing of the First Corinthian letter claim that they saw Jesus alive after the execution ... (by the Romans).
Originally posted by @sonshipIt made him dead, sonship. That may have come as a terrible shock to the people who admired him and may be the reason a cult of personality was carefully constructed around him in the subsequent decades and centuries - complete with the he-rose-from-the-dead and Doctrine of Atonement parts (eventually) - but the Romans executing him made him dead.
What does Christ's being executed by the Romans have to do with it ??
Originally posted by @fmfGood Friday wouldn’t be Good Friday without Resurrection Sunday. It’d just be plain old Friday.
It made him dead, sonship. That may have come as a terrible shock to the people who admired him and may be the reason a cult of personality was carefully constructed around him in the subsequent decades and centuries - complete with the he-rose-from-the-dead and Doctrine of Atonement parts (eventually) - but the Romans executing him made him dead.
Originally posted by @fmfWhere’s Jesus’ body?
Where are these 500 testimonies?
How do you explain the image on the Shroud of Turin?
How do you explain the transformation of Jesus’ disciples - from cowering in fear of the Pharisees after His crucifixion to boldly confronting the Pharisees and preaching in Jesus Christ’s name after His Resurrection?
How do you explain Jesus’ disciples being willing to die rather than refuse to deny they saw Jesus Christ alive after His crucifixion?
Originally posted by @fmfYou think Jesus’ disciples were like reporters, running around collecting testimonies and interviewing people? Their job was to spread the Gospel and two of His disciples wrote Gospels. Associates of His disciples also wrote Gospels.
Where are these 500 testimonies?
Saul of Tarsus (later renamed Paul) went from being a notorious persecutor of Christians to being one of Christianity’s greatest advocates and defenders and wrote most of the New Testament after encountering the Resurrected Jesus.