Originally posted by FabianFnasThe only thing I worry about as far as Islam goes, is the idea they would push for a totally religious state, enforcing those barbaric Sharia laws, women can't work, can't drive, get stoned if they are even accused of adultery, guilty until proven innocent.
Fundamentalists of any religion are the worst. They are responsible for terrorism. Religion has nothing to do with it. They all kill in their respective god.
Among the fundamentalists the terrorists are recruited. It's the fundamentalists we have to fear.
Kind of like what happened in the Salem Witch trials.
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Originally posted by rwingettGo join them if you like them so much. do they pay you for PR?
It might be more instructive to ask which society on Earth is the least violent? It would be the Amish and Hutterite communities, which are Christian.
You are talking about sub-sets of societies not whole nations, In which case you could
trivially easily find other (and non-religious) groups that are equally (if not more) peaceful.
However if you are talking about nations then the Amish and Hutterites live in and are
protected by the USA, which is mainly Christian in make up also. And is far from peaceful.
You make yet more unfounded assertions, that are trivially demonstrable as being false.
I thought you claimed to be good at debating. (rhet)
As for the question in the OP.
I don't think it's particularly useful discussion but.
In terms of the religion (as espoused in the relevant holy books before 'interpretation'😉 they
are about par, Sharia law being pretty similar to Mosaic law, and both espousing slavery and
genocide.
However, Over the aeons Christian communities (and countries) have in general been civilised
by secular influences to a far far greater extent than their Islamic equivalents.
This means that in today's world I would say that the practitioners of Islam are (in general/on average)
more violent/dangerous than the Christian equivalent.
And they are centuries behind in moral development.
However this is much like saying Hitler was better than Stalin because Stalin killed more people.
Both religions are bad, and we would be better off without them.
NOTE:
Please note I am discussing the moral values and teachings of the religions, and not the people following them.
Originally posted by googlefudgeThat was a lot of time wasted.
Go join them if you like them so much. do they pay you for PR?
You are talking about sub-sets of societies not whole nations, In which case you could
trivially easily find other (and non-religious) groups that are equally (if not more) peaceful.
However if you are talking about nations then the Amish and Hutterites live in and are
protected by ...[text shortened]... cussing the moral values and teachings of the religions, and not the people following them.
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Originally posted by rwingettThen you have no understanding of history, to add to the list of subject you don't
Islam was responsible for the Crusades? It seems to me that the Christian countries invaded the Muslim ones and not the other way around.
understand.
The Crusades were a reaction to the spreading tide of nations conquered by Islam.
Originally posted by rwingettYes it did 🙁
The war in Sri Lanka sort of put the kibosh on that notion, didn't it?
Still there have been many examples where buddhists priests have refused to bless wars and plenty of examples where christian popes were just waiting to give their blessing to which ever side won (WW2)
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Originally posted by rwingettThis would be more convincing if you had EVER produced a semblance of a counter argument to any
You don't annoy me. It's just not worth wasting a lot of time communicating with you.
point I had made.
However it is also useful pointing out the flaws in your arguments for anyone else who might read
them and be taken in.
As your arguments are usually pathetically flimsy, it really doesn't take much time or effort.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut, robbie, "Which religion is worse for killing, Christianity or Islam?" is a different question and therefore a different topic from "Which is worse for killing, religion or atheism?" I don't see how your raising of a different topic aids the discussion.
sigh, as i hold that atheism is a religious stance your point is well, rather pointless!
Originally posted by FMFok so its restricted to Islam and Christianity, my bad, prostrates himself on the ground
But, robbie, "Which religion is worse for killing, Christianity or Islam?" is a different question and therefore a different topic from "Which is worse for killing, religion or atheism?" I don't see how your raising of a different topic aids the discussion.
and begs forgiveness!