29 Dec 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWell you answered my questions in a very safe way, lets try again.
The fact remains that his statement at the beginning was not true.
It's a dishonest game that politicians, false advertisements, misleading documents, etc., often play. They put out a "sound bite" that is misleading, then even if they qualify it later (aka "fine print" ), what often sticks is the "sound bite".
Unless I missed it, Charlie did not qu ...[text shortened]... You must have misconstrued something I wrote or I seriously botched what I was trying to write.
Do you believe Jesus to be God, while he was on earth? Y/N
Do you believe Jesus to be God now as he no longer is on earth? Y/N
Do you believe Jesus to be the son of God? Y/N
These are very direct and specific questions for which I am asking you for your belief (direct answer), you can give a direct answer, can't you? In other words, what is your opinion?
Regarding the theology degree, I looked back and I did misread the post. My mistake.
Originally posted by leunammi
Look here. The link to the website (which you have expressed no interest in, in no uncertain terms) lists more than this one scripture that you and ThinkofOne are wanting to split hairs over, I counted in excess of 30 related to Jesus divinity. Now if you want to do some reading go ahead, I will discuss with you then. If you do not care to do some readin ...[text shortened]... alking about related to the commentary of this Charlie Campbell... then we are done.
Sorry.
Originally posted by leunammiI do not believe Jesus to be God - just as Jesus did not claim to be God while He walked the Earth.
Well you answered my questions in a very safe way, lets try again.
Do you believe Jesus to be God, while he was on earth? Y/N
Do you believe Jesus to be God now as he no longer is on earth? Y/N
Do you believe Jesus to be the son of God? Y/N
These are very direct and specific questions for which I am asking you for your belief (direct answer), you c ...[text shortened]... pinion?
Regarding the theology degree, I looked back and I did misread the post. My mistake.
I believe Jesus to be the son of God in the same manner as Jesus claimed to be the son of God
Not sure what you mean by "safe". Seemed like my answers were more to the point given that the topic was about what Jesus did and did not claim vs. what Charlie said He claimed.
Can you address the points I made in my earlier post just as I addressed the points you made in your earlier post?
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by leunammi30? Give me ONE, JUST ONE, where Jesus said :
Look here. The link to the website (which you have expressed no interest in, in no uncertain terms) lists more than this one scripture that you and ThinkofOne are wanting to split hairs over, I counted in excess of 30 related to Jesus divinity. Now if you want to do some reading go ahead, I will discuss with you then. If you do not care to do some readin ...[text shortened]... alking about related to the commentary of this Charlie Campbell... then we are done.
Sorry.
"i am equal to God"
Because I can give you hUNDREDS where he called himself the Son of God, and that God is greater than Him.
Do you understand the conceptS of 'GREATER THAN' and 'EQUAL TO'?
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by leunammiThe link to the website lists more than this one scripture that you and ThinkofOne are wanting to split hairs over,
Look here. The link to the website (which you have expressed no interest in, in no uncertain terms) lists more than this one scripture that you and ThinkofOne are wanting to split hairs over, I counted in excess of 30 related to Jesus divinity. Now if you want to do some reading go ahead, I will discuss with you then. If you do not care to do some readin ...[text shortened]... alking about related to the commentary of this Charlie Campbell... then we are done.
Sorry.
If it were merely about "splitting hairs", we wouldn't have diametrically opposing points of view regarding that verse and others
Originally posted by Rajk999Since you refuse to read the website:
30? Give me ONE, JUST ONE, where Jesus said :
"i am equal to God"
Because I can give you hUNDREDS where he called himself the Son of God, and that God is greater than Him.
Do you understand the conceptS of 'GREATER THAN' and 'EQUAL TO'?
JESUS took the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush at Exodus 3:14 (“I AM” ) and applied it to Himself in John 8:58. In John 5:18, Jesus claimed to be “equal with God.” In John 10:33, He made Himself “out to be God.”
Now you have THREE. Hope you're satisfied.
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Have you read the lecture?
30? Give me ONE, JUST ONE, where Jesus said :
"i am equal to God"
Because I can give you hUNDREDS where he called himself the Son of God, and that God is greater than Him.
Do you understand the conceptS of 'GREATER THAN' and 'EQUAL TO'?
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
30? Give me ONE, JUST ONE, where Jesus said :
"i am equal to God"
Because I can give you hUNDREDS where he called himself the Son of God, and that God is greater than Him.
Do you understand the conceptS of 'GREATER THAN' and 'EQUAL TO'?
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
If this does not satisfy your request I don't know what will.
Originally posted by leunammiDid you read the clarification that comes after:
[b]John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
If this does not satisfy your request I don't know what will.[/b]
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:9-10 KJV)
If you see Christ you see God because, God is in Christ, doing the good works and teaching the commandments. God is operating through Christ. God operates through Christ. Christs teachings are Gods teachings.
They are not equal.as Christ said a zillion times.
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by leunammiInstead of just taking John 14:9 out of context, have you tried to understand it within context?
[b]John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
If this does not satisfy your request I don't know what will.[/b]
At least read John 14:10-12. Jesus expects Philip to "see" the Father in the works that He does with the Father abiding / working within Him.
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Hey. You just beat me to it.
Did you read the clarification that comes after:
[i]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself ...[text shortened]... ist. Christs teachings are Gods teachings.
They are not equal.as Christ said a zillion times.
29 Dec 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThanks for that.
Since you refuse to read the website:JESUS took the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush at Exodus 3:14 (“I AM” ) and applied it to Himself in John 8:58. In John 5:18, Jesus claimed to be “equal with God.” In John 10:33, He made Himself “out to be God.”
Now you have THREE. Hope you're satisfied.
None can overturn the hundreds of times Christ recognized Gods greatness and superiority over Him.