21 Nov 11
Originally posted by Rajk999Of course it counts. Why wouldn't it count?
You have a 'homemade' religion in which you make up your own rules. I dont think that counts.
I think everyone should have their own religion (in fact they do), because any organized religion is a dead thing imo.
Ooops, I hope you dont think I'm trying to indoctrinate you, you poor thing.
21 Nov 11
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Anyway,Rajk, who really cares? I'm here now telling you that i do not want to indoctrinate people into anything.
Cant you just accept that and leave it alone?
I think I would be one of the least indocrinative religious person on here.
The fact is that most christians have a mandate to convert as many as possible to their "flock"- a point that you happily avoid post after post.
I dont think you directly try to indoctrinate anyone, but is it not what a good christian should do?
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelanswer what question? RJBlind has produced no questions as far as i can tell, hes
Answer the question,Rob. We are not talking about children here.
simply proffered his opinion and attempted to substantiate it with another assertion,
again, his own self certified opinion. In order for him to ask questions he would need
to delve into the realms of reason, of which he is uninterested, that is why, he merely
proffers his opinion as an attempt at substantiation, for he has no reason.
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by Rajk999I beg to differ. "Indoctrination" is telling someone to accept a doctrine uncritically. I do not see how karoly urged you to be uncritical. He urged you to change, of course. But not to accept this urging uncritically. The word "indoctrination" is not defined in terms of "intensity" of teaching, but by its insistence on there being "uncritical" acceptance.
Indoctrination is simply teaching but far more intense .
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelA religion in which you make up your own rules? You need to stop fooling yourself and get back down to reality.
Of course it counts. Why wouldn't it count?
I think everyone should have their own religion (in fact they do), because any organized religion is a dead thing imo.
Ooops, I hope you dont think I'm trying to indoctrinate you, you poor thing.
I dont fall for your indoctrination. You not that persuasive so dont think Im a 'poor thing'
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes , a religion where I make up my own rules. Isn't that what you do?
A religion in which you make up your own rules? You need to stop fooling yourself and get back down to reality.
I dont fall for your indoctrination. You not that persuasive so dont think Im a 'poor thing'
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelIf you want me to accept that you dont try to indoctrinate then you need to ACT like you dont want to indoctrinate. In that thread I said that the Bible said that homosexuality is a sin, and made it clear that nobody has to accept that. Clearly there was no intention to indoctrinate. You need to do the same.
Anyway,Rajk, who really cares? I'm here now telling you that i do not want to indoctrinate people into anything.
Cant you just accept that and leave it alone?
I think I would be one of the least indocrinative religious person on here.
The fact is that most christians have a mandate to convert as many as possible to their "flock"- a point that you h ...[text shortened]... think you directly try to indoctrinate anyone, but is it not what a good christian should do?
Christians are supposed to TELL others about Christ. Christians have no madnate to convert as many as possible. So you are wrong.
I simply tell others about Christ and if I get a hint that nobody is interested I walk away. So for someone who knows very little about Christianity you keep telling me about Christianity .. again another sign of indoctrination.
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by Rajk999you win.Well done. I indoctrinate people. you've found me out. See ya around, friend
If you want me to accept that you dont try to indoctrinate then you need to ACT like you dont want to indoctrinate. In that thread I said that the Bible said that homosexuality is a sin, and made it clear that nobody has to accept that. Clearly there was no intention to indoctrinate. You need to do the same.
Christians are supposed to TELL others about Ch ...[text shortened]... out Christianity you keep telling me about Christianity .. again another sign of indoctrination.
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelIMO being born again is a day to day process.
Well i do believe in a sort of reincarnation. But I dont think it's as simple as some make out. I just think some lives are linked , even through long stretches of time, even from different planets, by some undescribable link.
But thats not as important as trying to understand the life we have right here, before us. I do believe there is a puzzle for ...[text shortened]... to accomplish? Can it happen just "out of the blue" or do you have to conjure it up somehow?
21 Nov 11
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Originally posted by FMFFrom Dictionary.com
Unless he was telling you to accept his doctrine uncritically, which I don't think he was, then it's just him expressing his opinion, and not 'indoctrination'.
in·doc·tri·nate
1.
to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to
imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2.
to teach or inculcate.
3.
to imbue with learning.
o·pin·ion
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce
complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment.
4.
Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and
the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character,
merit, etc.
It appears that INDOCTRINATE is the correct word. It is not merely
stating an opinion, but also to influence the listener.
21 Nov 11
Originally posted by RJHindsIt can hardly be said that karoly was trying to "imbue" or "inculcate" or even really "teach" rajk999. Karoly was stating his own opinion and suggesting that Rajk999 do likewise. In fact it can not be argued credibly that karoly's opinions amount to a "doctrine". It is your prerogative, of course, to deploy the blandest supposed meanings of words, obliterate the distinctions between different terms, and to try to then project what you want or feel you need to say onto the rinsed-out vocabulary. But I rather feel doing this is a distinct disservice to our language and to the clarity of communication. For the way that karoly urged another poster to tolerate homosexuality to be touted as an example of "indoctrination" strikes me as a numbing, reductionist misuse of words in the service of your own specific partisan or biased belief.
in·doc·tri·nate
1.
to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to
imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2.
to teach or inculcate.
3.
to imbue with learning.