@fmf saidThanks for another history reminder and your learned opinion.
I am well grounded in the theological dogma, KellyJay, little surprise there after 25+ years of being a Christian. Simply blurting out that I supposedly don't "have an inkling what it means" is about as feeble as can be.
@kellyjay saidWell now we’re getting down to something that looks like a genuinely operative psychological motive or reason for belief. A feeling, maybe of enormous gratitude for a burden lifted, or an obligation for a service performed which can never be repaid in kind. That’s something I can relate to, and it has nothing to do with the truth of doctrines and dogmas. Thanks for contributing.
He took on every sin we have ever done, the full guilt we should be held accountable for Jesus paid in full.! I believe you are correct that death wasn’t the concern, neither the suffering and shame Jesus endured on the cross, but my sins where I should stand before God in, Jesus took that. He did that knowing some will still not care and continue to reject Him, so what He d ...[text shortened]... life wouldn’t pay for the sins of the whole world, but the blood of the Word of God made flesh did!
@moonbus saidYou think it has to be an internal matter for each person?
Well now we’re getting down to something that looks like a genuinely operative psychological motive or reason for belief. A feeling, maybe of enormous gratitude for a burden lifted, or an obligation for a service performed which can never be repaid in kind. That’s something I can relate to, and it has nothing to do with the truth of doctrines and dogmas. Thanks for contributing.
@moonbus saidWrong
@divegeester
or e) because it gives people peace of mind in the face of mystery or fear (especially fear of death).
@mike69 saidJesus became our propitiation or substitute for our sins, He was sinless, we are sinners and He laid down His life for us, becoming sin for us, taking on all of the guilt we have so we could be forgiven. God the Father took out His wrath on Christ instead of us, Jesus paid in full what we owed.
Please explain your words better for me about Jesus becoming sin.
Men used to sacrifice to the gods to please them so the gods would do good for them, while God sacrificed Himself for us, so God's justice could be satisfied otherwise we would all face the wrath of God.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Philippians 3:8-10
English Standard Version
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
@kellyjay saidTaking on, and becoming sin are very different to me. God allowed Christ suffering for a reason, as far as his wrath and anger taken out on him I would have to say no, man did that.
Jesus became our propitiation or substitute for our sins, He was sinless, we are sinners and He laid down His life for us, becoming sin for us, taking on all of the guilt we have so we could be forgiven. God the Father took out His wrath on Christ instead of us, Jesus paid in full what we owed.
Men used to sacrifice to the gods to please them so the gods would do good for ...[text shortened]... him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,