@kellyjay saidNothing about me justifies or causes scripture to be rejected
Nothing about me justifies or causes scripture to be rejected, it has to stand on its own for being trustworthy or not. When people accept or reject anything by who is on what side of a discussion they are looking at people not the topic
If this were psychologically true, then why wouldn't you just give links to web resources that provide information about theological doctrines?
Instead, you choose to engage in some kind of personal ministry.
And if ~ as is the case with you ~ your intellectual and interpersonal behaviour do a disservice to the beliefs you propagate and advocate for, then perhaps you should take a long hard look at your personal ministry and its efficacy.
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@kellyjay said'Scripture' is just what is written down, when you or I write a shopping list it's 'scripture'. If you're talking about the Bible, what we are 'looking at' in this forum is not you ('people' ) , since we don't know you, but rather we are looking at your attempts to convince us of the truth of it, which you never stop going on about, (you know, the topic) and that your belief in it is justified, and all I would advise in this regard is not to become a salesman.
Nothing about me justifies or causes scripture to be rejected, it has to stand on its own for being trustworthy or not. When people accept or reject anything by who is on what side of a discussion they are looking at people not the topic
@indonesia-phil saidRight, and when I ask about the physical world's beginnings and look at what
'Scripture' is just what is written down, when you or I write a shopping list it's 'scripture'. If you're talking about the Bible, what we are 'looking at' in this forum is not you ('people' ) , since we don't know you, but rather we are looking at your attempts to convince us of the truth of it, which you never stop going on about, (you know, the topic) and that your belief in it is justified, and all I would advise in this regard is not to become a salesman.
is in it and life, comparing what we see to mindlessness and design you disappear.
@fmf saidi) Peer group pressure.
i) Because I have been socialized - overtly and subliminally - to realize that if I don't [at least purport to] believe these things, life in my small conservative town ~ in my pious neighbourhood, with my kids in a nearby denominational school, and all these don't-take-a-step-back religionists around me ~ will be a life of being the alienated odd one out. Yeah, so I have interna ...[text shortened]... me on the tenets or ask me to bet my children's lives on whether these "truths" are literally true.
@moonbus saidMy question is, is it all internal, nothing external to us is of any real consequence
Yes. The thread is about acquiring beliefs, not whether they are true. Societies don't hold beliefs, only individuals do.
matters to the individual thought processes as we settle in on our beliefs, according
to you? Societies tend to walk with a herd mentality that can be both a good and
a bad thing.
@kellyjay saidWhat "real consequence" [of not having the same beliefs as you] can you demonstrates as being "real"? If you cannot, then surely your belief is "internal", right?
My question is, is it all internal, nothing external to us is of any real consequence
matters to the individual thought processes as we settle in on our beliefs, according
to you?
@kellyjay saidCertainly there may be social consequences of believing or not believing a given religious doctrine. In times past, people were tortured and burnt at the stake for holding heterodox beliefs, and this threat may have been a factor in some people adopting at least the outward appearance of holding orthodox beliefs. That would be an extreme case of i) peer group pressure.
My question is, is it all internal, nothing external to us is of any real consequence
matters to the individual thought processes as we settle in on our beliefs, according
to you? Societies tend to walk with a herd mentality that can be both a good and
a bad thing.
If you are referring to eternal consequences, these cannot really be a motivational factor in accepting a belief in eternal consequences. If you don’t already believe in eternal consequences, then you cannot believe there will be eternal consequences for believing or not believing in eternal consequences. That really would be circular reasoning.