Originally posted by divegeester
[b]Why did they want to stone him?
Titus talked of his hope in 2:13
"while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ". Does that sound like an angel or a prophet?
Isaiah said in 9:6:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoul nyone who has seen me has seen the Father[/b]. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?[/b]
where does he claim that he is God Almighty incarnate, you have stated that it is true,
therefore where does he say it? a single reference please. what Jesus actually claimed,
(John 14:28) . . .If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the
Father, because
the Father is greater than I am.
(John 5:19) . . .
The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only
what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things
the Son also does in like manner.
(John 5:30) . . .
I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. . .
what Paul states,
(1 Corinthians 15:28) . . .But when all things will have been subjected to him, then
the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things
to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
(1 Corinthians 11:3) . . .But I want you to know that the head of every man is the
Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn
the head of the Christ is
God.
(Philippians 2:5-6) . . .Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus,
who, although he was existing in God’s form,
gave no consideration to a seizure,
namely, that he should be equal to God. . .
so there we have it folks, the Christ subjects himself to himself? is that what the
trinitarians would have us believe, does it seem logical, even reasonable to you?
The son can do nothing of his own initiative, hard for someone if they are the same
person, again hardly logical or reasonable, and finally Christ own words, the father
is greater than I, making a mockery of the trinitarian false assertion that Christ is
co-equal with God. Paul goes even further is stating tat the Christ subjects himself
to God even after his resurrection and ascension to heaven, oh dear, not good for
out trinitarian friends, that he has a head and is in a position of relative subjection
and that he never even considered that he is equal to God.
Conclusion, the trinitarians know these things yet wilfully ignore them because they
contradict their one dimensional dogmatic preconceptions as to the nature of the
Christ.