Originally posted by no1marauderLMAOT!!! You are really quick to label everybody aren't you? I'd say that boxing people into your limited view of them is the quickest way to preconcieved ideas so that a thought cannot reach you.
LMAO!!!! This is why I try to avoid "debates" with you religious fanatics; you're either insufferably stupid or so set in your preconceived ideas a thought cannot reach you. We know the Mayans had books and we know that Christians burned them because we have documents from that very time where the burners described burning these "heathen" and ...[text shortened]... is a dodge you fantics always pull out whenever it is shon that Christians committed atrocities.
Originally posted by no1marauderOpen your eyes and read no1. I didn't say that atheists don't believe in a moral code. I said some of them do as they please.
This idiotic premise i.e. that an atheist or agnostic doesn't believe in any moral code has been debunked soooooooooooo many times in these pages that you could probably randomly pick a thread and page and see it demolished.
Originally posted by HalitoseOne of the authors of the destruction was Friar Diego de Landa (1524-1579), the Bishop of Yucatán. Later in life he said that, "We found a large number of books in these characters and, as they contained nothing in which were not to be seen as superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they (the Maya) regretted to an amazing degree, and which caused them much affliction".
LMAOT!!! You are really quick to label everybody aren't you? I'd say that boxing people into your limited view of them is the quickest way to preconcieved ideas so that a thought cannot reach you.
How's that for an idea, genius?? Try reading a book, unless your other Christian friends manage to burn all them, too.
(Actually 3 Mayan books out of many thousands survived and along with inscriptions on stone [hard to burn] enabled scolars to reconstruct the Mayan language and great learning in mathematics, astronomy and other areas. All would have been lost if Christians had gotten their way).
Originally posted by HalitoseBetter read your own crap; you said this:
Open your eyes and read no1. I didn't say that atheists don't believe in a moral code. I said some of them do as they please.
If you believe that sufficient proof has not been given for the existance of God, then surely everybody is free to do what they think good,
WRONG! An atheist or agnostic can believe there are independent sources of moral law that morally constrain people's actions. This are not dependent on individual predilections. Google "natural law" or read any one of about a thousand Bbarr posts.
Originally posted by no1marauderSarcasm has and always will remain the lowest form of wit, No1
One of the authors of the destruction was Friar Diego de Landa (1524-1579), the Bishop of Yucatán. Later in life he said that, "We found a large number of books in these characters and, as they contained nothing in which were not to be seen as superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they (the Maya) regretted to an amazing degree, a ...[text shortened]... matics, astronomy and other areas. All would have been lost if Christians had gotten their way).
I'm not trying to defend the burning of Mayan books. Go try the Friar. They are accountable unto themselves. That was exactly my point. Doing something in the name of the religion, doesn't automatically qualify you as its champion. That's why I'm not dragging every atheists by the hair because of the failure of communism. That's why I'm not gonna jump on you as some narrow-minded, anti-christian, humorless dude because of the contents of one post.
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Originally posted by no1marauderSo? Who says I should obey natural law? Did Stalin obey natural law? The biggest problem with atheist morality is not that you can't formulate morals, sure you can, I'm sure you even have a few that you live by, but your biggest problem is that short of legislating it, you can't force people to follow them.
Better read your own crap; you said this:
If you believe that sufficient proof has not been given for the existance of God, then surely everybody is free to do what they think good,
WRONG! An atheist or agn ...[text shortened]... e "natural law" or read any one of about a thousand Bbarr posts.
Originally posted by Halitoseno1 doesnt have to send his son to be crucified in a futile effort to repeal the bronze age attempt to outdo the Code of Hamurabi .
So? Who says I should obey natural law? Did Stalin obey natural law? The biggest problem with atheist morality is not that you can't formulate morals, sure you can, I'm sure you even have a few that you live by, but your biggest problem is that short of legislating it, you can't force people to follow them.
And yes, I said futile. To fix it would require understanding of the Spirit, an understanding that won't come from fighting Christ's word. seek and ye shall find, don't be told the meaning , anyone that does tell you that you must believe what they believe has not sought.
eliminate the middle men that tell you they are specially imbued with the Spirit because just that telling should tell you they dont know.
Originally posted by David CIt might seem like irony at first glance, but surely you wouldn't deny that Christianity teaches a high moral standard. (Irrespective of you wanting to believe in it or not). If you were a good friend of Stalin, to what moral law would you bind him to? Surely killing those millions was for the greater good of the state in the class struggle.
lol. Do you see the irony in your post, Hal?
Originally posted by HalitoseAsk the Midianites about the "high moral standards" taught in yer Christian holy book.
It might seem like irony at first glance, but surely you wouldn't deny that Christianity teaches a high moral standard. (Irrespective of you wanting to believe in it or not). If you were a good friend of Stalin, to what moral law would you bind him to? Surely killing those millions was for the greater good of the state in the class struggle.
Originally posted by HalitoseRead Joshua and try and discern a difference between him and Stalin , other than Stalin made no pretenses that God told him to commit genocide for leibenstraum. Oh wait Stalin already space what he wanted buffer states to keep the inevitable western christian invaders out, but that is another story. learn about rail gauges in europe if you think he didn't expect it.
It might seem like irony at first glance, but surely you wouldn't deny that Christianity teaches a high moral standard. (Irrespective of you wanting to believe in it or not). If you were a good friend of Stalin, to what moral law would you bind him to? Surely killing those millions was for the greater good of the state in the class struggle.
As Karl Marx declared: “The first battlefield is the rewriting of history.”
I say again just because somebody did something in the name of religion, doesn't make them that religion's champion.
I believe in God's justice just as much as I believe in His love. Soddom, Gomorrah, the Middianites etc are all examples of His Justice. I believe that I and countless millions through the ages who have been saved from a life of sin, are examples of His love.
Of course, if you don't believe in God, then this is all a moot point. It all starts with THAT premise.
Originally posted by HalitoseNot so, it all starts with the nature of the Spirit and precisely what salvation and damnation means, as well as what good is and what evil is. Use the prism of the Word so that you may see.
As Karl Marx declared: “The first battlefield is the rewriting of history.”
I say again just because somebody did something in the name of religion, doesn't make them that religion's champion.
I believe in God's justice just as much as I believe in His love. Soddom, Gomorrah, the Middianites etc are all examples of His Justice. I believe that I a ...[text shortened]... if you don't believe in God, then this is all a moot point. It all starts with THAT premise.
Originally posted by frogstompI'm still coming back to you with my homework, then we can discuss what Christ said about all those things. For the time being, I'm signing off. Bed time. See'y'all later. 😴😴😴😴😴😵
Not so, it all starts with the nature of the Spirit and precisely what salvation and damnation means, as well as what good is and what evil is. Use the prism of the Word so that you may see.