Originally posted by Joe Fist
[b]True. I can't really say for sure, I hope I'm not being redundant, and as I said before theology is not my forte, but here's a few pointers.
Are these pointers on Calvinism or on what you believe? I am sorry I might be confused?
1. Compared to God, man is very insignificant.
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Are these pointers on Calvinism or on what you believe? I am sorry I might be confused?
My apologies, I was rather ambiguous there. These are my views.
I think an argument can be made that it is Man that gives importance and reverence to God so wouldn’t both be significant? Granted God could wipe mankind out without a thought but, if that were the case, who would be here to worship Him?
True. That is why I think that man was created to serve and worship God, and in turn God makes us His children.
This sounds very non Christian and very accepting.
What I meant was that to have a choice in serving God, there had to be alternatives.
Sure but I think for the most part you are right. I think most of us who are agnostic and atheist have wrestled in their own way with spirituality before just accepting the current path we are on. As you have determined Christianity is right for you, the people like myself have decided the other and at least for myself I have more comfort in what I feel than anything I have experienced before.
Fair enough.
But what if a person who is good but does not seek God? Or does not believe in God? Would they be regarded as evil although they are by all standards a morally upstanding citizen?
Right but is it enough for a person to live a good life without God to not suffer damnation?
I believe God looks at the heart (the Christian term for motives, will, decisions and other paraphernalia that make up our actions). I don't deny that there are morally upstanding people, but as Christ says, He came for the sinners like me.
Sure and I think you have already answered my next question but is it not enough to life a moral life without Christ? Even if a person has been exposed to Christ but does not necessarily believe or maybe perhaps they question?
Sure. Christ came to save sinners.
Sure but I would say both are working towards the same idea, no?
Perhaps in a general sense, although I haven't looked to much into Buddhism, Hinduism etc, I find unreconcilable differences. One such example is reincarnation in Hinduism, which has resulted in the venerated (sacred) cows in India. I can't remember the exact number, but these cows eat food that could have been given to tens of millions of starving Indians. Buddhism teaches that by personal meditation etc, one can earn your way into heaven or in their case nirvana.
So, without putting words in your mouth, does it sound like the label of a Christian is not as important as living the life of one?
Yes.
I am not really into vengeance but more so the idea that those who are criminals are not worthy of any type of kindness or rehabilitation simply because if they committed this crime there is a possibility they could do it again. It is more so for safety purposes.
Yes. I agree with you here. I think the biblical principle of restitution is quite pertinent. For example, a petty thief has to make restitution by returning the stolen goods with interest. I personally would think twice about stealing a porsche, because I will be paying it off for a couple decades to the owner, compared to the 6 months in prison. When it comes to violent crime, like murder, when one takes a life, by restitution, you forfeit your own. Of course this is only for premeditated murder not manslaughter.
So do you support capital punishment?
I would, if it was instituted in the correct way.