03 Dec 06
Originally posted by SquelchbelchSo, are we saying that suffering has no benefit?
Is it because He is:
a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
or maybe
b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?
Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by Mr. BrightsideThe question is, does all suffering & evil acts have benficial aspects to them.
So, are we saying that suffering has no benefit?
I don't think anyone can argue that they do.
Therefore, God is either sadistic, unconcerned or has limited powers.
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenAnd why do we want free will? I would rather live in a world with no evil and suffering, and be told what to do, rather than the one we live in.
its because god isnt good or evil, he just is, as much as god doesnt stop good things happening neither does he stop bad things... this is why he gave us free will
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by SquelchbelchYou are right , why should we suffer for his sins , it's not fair , If God was just and fair he would suffer in our place. He would pay the price in our place and take our sins and suffering on himself. I know .let's put him on a cross! Now there's an idea!
Is it because He is:
a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
or maybe
b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?
Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
03 Dec 06
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Originally posted by knightmeisterThat didn't answer my question, but I assume you accept God created evil.
You are right , why should we suffer for his sins , it's not fair , If God was just and fair he would suffer in our place. He would pay the price in our place and take our sins and suffering on himself. I know .let's put him on a cross! Now there's an idea!
Why does God need suffering at all?
Would we really be the worse for not having to experience child abuse or millions killed in the Haulocaust?
You must accept that God is responsible for the existence of evil unless He is not almighty.
Therefore God is partly evil.
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by knightmeisterI still don't see why we should be unable to love if we were incapable of doing something evil. Besides, if you need to have the choice between good and evil to be able to love, wouldn't that mean that an omnibenevolent god can't love?
Ah , but would you be sentient? Would you be able to love? Would you even be human?
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenAh, but considering that God is omniscient, do we really have free will? He created the universe in just one way, and no other. He knew every detail of what would take place in that reality. Thus, we HAVE no free will. We are simply travelling along a divinely pre-determined path. God deigned that I will burn for hell in eternity, since he created me in full knowledge I'd never believe in him. So much for omnibenevolence.
its because god isnt good or evil, he just is, as much as god doesnt stop good things happening neither does he stop bad things... this is why he gave us free will
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzI think what the poster meant was God gave believers the impression they have free will
Ah, but considering that God is omniscient, do we really have free will? He created the universe in just one way, and no other. He knew every detail of what would take place in that reality. Thus, we HAVE no free will. We are simply travelling along a divinely pre-determined path. God deigned that I will burn for hell in eternity, since he created me in full knowledge I'd never believe in him. So much for omnibenevolence.
From any rational point of view you are right, scottishinnz.
What kind of God is a Creator with partial knowledge or power?
I don't see the theists lining up to give answers as to who or what is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Odd, that!😉😛😉