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    03 Dec '06 09:16
    Is it because He is:
    a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
    or maybe
    b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?

    Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
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    03 Dec '06 10:37
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Is it because He is:
    a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
    or maybe
    b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?

    Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
    Or, (c) imaginary.
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    03 Dec '06 11:41
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Is it because He is:
    a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
    or maybe
    b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?

    Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
    So, are we saying that suffering has no benefit?
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    03 Dec '06 11:59
    Originally posted by Mr. Brightside
    So, are we saying that suffering has no benefit?
    The question is, does all suffering & evil acts have benficial aspects to them.

    I don't think anyone can argue that they do.

    Therefore, God is either sadistic, unconcerned or has limited powers.
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    03 Dec '06 12:07
    its because god isnt good or evil, he just is, as much as god doesnt stop good things happening neither does he stop bad things... this is why he gave us free will
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    03 Dec '06 12:11
    Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
    its because god isnt good or evil, he just is, as much as god doesnt stop good things happening neither does he stop bad things... this is why he gave us free will
    And why do we want free will? I would rather live in a world with no evil and suffering, and be told what to do, rather than the one we live in.
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    03 Dec '06 12:30
    Originally posted by wedgehead2
    And why do we want free will? I would rather live in a world with no evil and suffering, and be told what to do, rather than the one we live in.
    Ah , but would you be sentient? Would you be able to love? Would you even be human?
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    03 Dec '06 12:36
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Is it because He is:
    a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
    or maybe
    b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?

    Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
    You are right , why should we suffer for his sins , it's not fair , If God was just and fair he would suffer in our place. He would pay the price in our place and take our sins and suffering on himself. I know .let's put him on a cross! Now there's an idea!
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    03 Dec '06 15:07
    Originally posted by Mr. Brightside
    So, are we saying that suffering has no benefit?
    To take an example, I can't see any benefit in letting people burn in hell forever. Can you?
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    03 Dec '06 16:101 edit
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    You are right , why should we suffer for his sins , it's not fair , If God was just and fair he would suffer in our place. He would pay the price in our place and take our sins and suffering on himself. I know .let's put him on a cross! Now there's an idea!
    That didn't answer my question, but I assume you accept God created evil.


    Why does God need suffering at all?
    Would we really be the worse for not having to experience child abuse or millions killed in the Haulocaust?

    You must accept that God is responsible for the existence of evil unless He is not almighty.
    Therefore God is partly evil.
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    03 Dec '06 16:38
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Ah , but would you be sentient? Would you be able to love? Would you even be human?
    I still don't see why we should be unable to love if we were incapable of doing something evil. Besides, if you need to have the choice between good and evil to be able to love, wouldn't that mean that an omnibenevolent god can't love?
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    03 Dec '06 18:26
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Ah , but would you be sentient? Would you be able to love? Would you even be human?
    An omnipotent god could create a world without suffering and still retain free will. Right?
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    03 Dec '06 18:29
    Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
    its because god isnt good or evil, he just is, as much as god doesnt stop good things happening neither does he stop bad things... this is why he gave us free will
    Ah, but considering that God is omniscient, do we really have free will? He created the universe in just one way, and no other. He knew every detail of what would take place in that reality. Thus, we HAVE no free will. We are simply travelling along a divinely pre-determined path. God deigned that I will burn for hell in eternity, since he created me in full knowledge I'd never believe in him. So much for omnibenevolence.
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    03 Dec '06 18:34
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Ah, but considering that God is omniscient, do we really have free will? He created the universe in just one way, and no other. He knew every detail of what would take place in that reality. Thus, we HAVE no free will. We are simply travelling along a divinely pre-determined path. God deigned that I will burn for hell in eternity, since he created me in full knowledge I'd never believe in him. So much for omnibenevolence.
    I think what the poster meant was God gave believers the impression they have free will

    From any rational point of view you are right, scottishinnz.
    What kind of God is a Creator with partial knowledge or power?

    I don't see the theists lining up to give answers as to who or what is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Odd, that!😉😛😉
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    03 Dec '06 18:35
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    why does god allow evil?
    why do you allow evil?
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