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Originally posted by KellyJayAnd it is this belief of yours that is immune from disconfirmation in precisely the way I have pointed out. If anybody states that they have honestly sought god and yet not found anything, you won't count their evidence. You'll just say they didn't look in the right way or with enough honesty, or whatever.
I believe anyone who seeks God honestly will find Him.
Kelly
I think you ought to acknowledge that this way of keeping beliefs is inherently flawed as well as disrespectful to your interlocutors.
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Originally posted by Lord SharkI'm am sharing with you a key point in my faith, God has made a way for all of us
And it is this belief of yours that is immune from disconfirmation in precisely the way I have pointed out. If anybody states that they have honestly sought god and yet not found anything, you won't count their evidence. You'll just say they didn't look in the right way or with enough honesty, or whatever.
I think you ought to acknowledge that this way of keeping beliefs is inherently flawed as well as disrespectful to your interlocutors.
to be saved. Not everyone will be, for a variety of reasons, but none will be due
to the fact they sought out God honestly and God made sure He was not found
by them.
Kelly
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10 Aug 10
Originally posted by KellyJayOriginally posted by KellyJay
I'm am sharing with you a key point in my faith, God has made a way for all of us
to be saved. Not everyone will be, for a variety of reasons, but none will be due
to the fact they sought out God honestly and God made sure He was not found
by them.
Kelly
I'm am sharing with you a key point in my faith,
Yes I know. You've shared it successfully. I am asking you to acknowledge some of the features this aspect of your faith has regardless of whether your beliefs are in fact true. In particular, it has the same feature of being unresponsive to evidence against it as the psychiatrist example, I gave a few posts ago.
Do you think you can do that?
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by Lord SharkI believe I have already shared with you that some are finding God and others are
Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]I'm am sharing with you a key point in my faith,
Yes I know. You've shared it successfully. I am asking you to acknowledge some of the features this aspect of your faith has regardless of whether your beliefs are in fact true. In particular, it has the same feature of being unresponsive to eviden ...[text shortened]... ainst it as the psychiatrist example, I gave a few posts ago.
Do you think you can do that?[/b]
not, and reasons for that. So if I'm right than those that are honestly seeking God
are finding Him I'm not sure what you want from me? Look at some of the responses
here, people want God to jump through some hoops to make them believe, they
want God to do something to removed doubt as if what ever they are asking for
couldn't be brushed off for some other reason that would come to them later.
So exactly what do you want from me, some way to measure an honest heart that
is seeking God or what God may do to them to answer that call?
Kelly
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are wrong to call It "Him" in the first place, since God is pre-manifestation.
What am I wrong about, that God is real, or something else I said?
Kelly
Secondly you are wrong to say "He" is a separate entity from the rest of [His] creation.
God is not provable. God is not seaparate from "His" creation.
God is just a word invented by man to express ideas that need faith and forsight to undrestand.
God is just a word. "He" has no name. Reality is reality. That is "God" . Christians call It "God". Athiests call it "reality". Lets not get hung up on linguistics here.
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by karoly aczel“…Christians call It "God". Atheists call it "reality"…”
You are wrong to call It "Him" in the first place, since God is pre-manifestation.
Secondly you are wrong to say "He" is a separate entity from the rest of [His] creation.
God is not provable. God is not seaparate from "His" creation.
God is just a word invented by man to express ideas that need faith and forsight to undrestand.
God is just a word ...[text shortened]... ll It "God". Athiests call it "reality". Lets not get hung up on linguistics here.
I am honestly puzzled by what you mean by that. Is that a misprint?
I am an atheist and what I refer to by the word “reality” is nothing supernatural ( because I don’t believe there is such a thing ) but rather all that exists externally from my perceptions and which is independent of any perception –how on earth can I mean a supernatural “God” from that?
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI agree.
[b]I believe anyone who seeks God honestly will find Him.
I accept that you believe this, but it is simply not true.[/b]
You cannot find a non-existent something honestly –no matter HOW honestly you try!
In fact, you cannot find a non-existent something dishonestly! And this is true no matter HOW dishonestly and deviously and underhandedly you try and find it! Even if you cheat and lie and rape and kill to find it!
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonAgain, its just linguistics.
“…Christians call It "God". Atheists call it "reality"…”
I am honestly puzzled by what you mean by that. Is that a misprint?
I am an atheist and what I refer to by the word “reality” is nothing supernatural ( because I don’t believe there is such a thing ) but rather all that exists externally from my perceptions and which is independent of any perception –how on earth can I mean a supernatural “God” from that?
Everyone sees some of reality, right?
No one sees all of it, right?
But "reality" means all that is, in a sense. All that is real, as opposed to imaginary.Even the bits you dont "see".
"God" for christians is reality because reality is "His" creation.
Reality for scientists is the empirical truth upon which life is based.
Surely this is a basic concept of linguistical differences.
To me the natural contains the supernatural . I see no divisions between a cup of tea and a fifth dimensional encounter with an E.T. ,(or "divine revelation", as some christians may call it)