Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyI'm drinking far too much locally made cider at the moment,I think the pain of my hangover tomorrow will be far worse than this lake of fire!
I would still rather discuss the merits of this nice Chardonnay
that I am drinking right now. It's nicely chilled, fruity to taste
and if you get enough of it you can get wasted enough so you don't
feel the pain of the lake of fire. 🙂
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-Removed-i did not author the article and this latest attempt to reduce it to a personal level while ignoring the actual content (that is the arguments that the article was making) is reflective of your entire posting history and its quite frankly, boring. If you have anything of relevance about the actual content, that is, anything of interest based upon what the article was saying then I would be happy to discuss it, but this reducing everything to a personal level is tedious and banal.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou stopped reading too soon. What is your response to the following:
I have not argued against that the death penalty may be Biblically substantiated or warranted, your argument is a pile of straw! The article raised the legitimate question, if Christ was merciful and forgiving why are evangelicals so vociferous in their support of the death penalty and punitive action as opposed to rehabilitation.
There is of cou ted imperfection from Adam. Do you realise how monstrous the image that you are portraying is?
May I remind you the same God who sent His Son to save sinners still condemns the wicked and unrepentant to hell.
When Jesus returns, many will hear this word......
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matthew 25:41-46
As you see his answer actually consisted of quotes from the Holy Bible and the last quote was from Jesus. I don't see Jesus teaching mercy, forgiveness and seeking rehabilitation before punitive action in the above example.
Let me add to the quotes he gives above with the following quote from Jesus:
“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
(Matthew 6:14-15 NKJV)
Even the heavenly Father does not forgive everyone, so why should you expect the Evangelicals to preach that we must forgive those that commit the most horrible crimes, like murder. The death penalty of the Mosaic Law was not done away with by Jesus and as you see above He has plans to send some away into eternal punishment.[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsever lasting fire, fire being used as a symbol of destruction, not torment and no you have failed to address a single issue that i have asked you to explain.
You stopped reading too soon. What is your response to the following:
[b]May I remind you the same God who sent His Son to save sinners still condemns the wicked and unrepentant to hell.
When Jesus returns, many will hear this word......
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fo ...[text shortened]... with by Jesus and as you see above He has plans to send some away into eternal punishment.[/b]
You have made God out to be a father who every time his son makes a mistake, thrusts his hand into a fire, yes that really is the extent of your horrific caricature. Why do you hate Go so?
Originally posted by checkbaiterreally, lets see you explain why a loving and just and merciful God would torture an individual for an eternity, in the full knowledge that the individual, during a lifetime of a mere seventy or eighty years, was born in a sinful state and thus prone to aberration and sin in the first place. Thanks in advance.
Simple, the accusation you believe, is not true.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe is a loving God to send his son as a sacrifice. And he is loving to let us make the choice of accepting that.
really, lets see you explain why a loving and just and merciful God would torture an individual for an eternity, in the full knowledge that the individual, during a lifetime of a mere seventy or eighty years, was born in a sinful state and thus prone to aberration and sin in the first place. Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are speed reading again and missed what Jesus said. He said,
ever lasting fire, fire being used as a symbol of destruction, not torment and no you have failed to address a single issue that i have asked you to explain.
You have made God out to be a father who every time his son makes a mistake, thrusts his hand into a fire, yes that really is the extent of your horrific caricature. Why do you hate Go so?
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
In your dictionary does eternal life also means it ends just like the punishment? If so what is the reason for eternal life?