Darfius you need to understand that sometimes people don't want to be bible bashed!!! you can argue/debate fight or whatever & completly lose people. I say this because the Christian attitude should be I'm a beggar that has found bread & I want to share that bread. (I can tell that you want to share) I guess my frustation is with Christians that come off as so self rightous. I think that it helps to understand where others are coming from to know their beliefs. This does not mean that you have to embrace their beliefs. You know you responded to one of my post by saying that my Christianity was
handed down to me by myths & fables but nothing could be further from the truth. Well anyway Peace out Menace71 (Manny)
Originally posted by Chessteen16Thank you Chessteen16. Below is the closest thing that works for me and it is not completely accurate but it serves my purposes.
I am listening what is your belief system?
And I won't bash you I have no rights to.
ag·nos·ti·cism:
1.The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2.The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.
I think the last sentence you wrote in your post, however, is the most important one:
And I won't bash you I have no rights to.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you are a Christian, right? Well the difference I see here in these posts is that I have never witnessed the atheist, agnostic, or any other non-Xian attempt to dispell the Xian without first being provoked. Maybe you do disagree with my beliefs and maybe I disagree with yours. The point is for peaceful co-existance.
Darfius refuses to acknowledge this and I will continue to berate him any chance I get. Please don't be insulted by this but if you are a chess teen, according to your name, you already have more insight and intelligence than Darifus does because at least you acknowledge you do not have the rights to bash what I believe even if you do not agree with it.
Originally posted by Joe FistJoe, let me pose a hypothetical to you.
Thank you Chessteen16. Below is the closest thing that works for me and it is not completely accurate but it serves my purposes.
ag·nos·ti·cism:
1.The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2.The belief that there can be no proof either that ...[text shortened]... acknowledge you do not have the rights to bash what I believe even if you do not agree with it.
If you end up in hell, would you wish you had listened to me or no? Or would you wish I had never warned you? Never given you a chance?
Originally posted by DarfiusDarfius,
Joe, let me pose a hypothetical to you.
If you end up in hell, would you wish you had listened to me or no? Or would you wish I had never warned you? Never given you a chance?
If in the world you describe everything is as it is and you are right and I do end up in hell I would prefer that then to listen to the likes of you.
If the world and afterlife is as you claim, then I don't want to be in your heaven because you are pious and vulgar with your belief in God.
Originally posted by Joe FistSo you would rather be in eternal torment because you found my presentation to be uncouth? Keep in mind, that is your opinion.
Darfius,
If in the world you describe everything is as it is and you are right and I do end up in hell I would prefer that then to listen to the likes of you.
If the world and afterlife is as you claim, then I don't want to be in your heaven because you are pious and vulgar with your belief in God.
Originally posted by DarfiusOf course it's my opinion. Whose else is it? I reject your interpretation of the here after and so do many others. I'm in eternal torment having this conversation with you.
So you would rather be in eternal torment because you found my presentation to be uncouth? Keep in mind, that is your opinion.
You are attempting to bade me into some sort of agreement which is very feeble.
How do you know I wind up in eternal torment? Wait, I know. Because I am not a Christian? So be it. How do you know judgemental motherfkrs like yourself don't wind up down there with me?
Originally posted by Joe FistBecause I gave allegiance where it's due. And that's not to myself.
Of course it's my opinion. Whose else is it? I reject your interpretation of the here after and so do many others. I'm in eternal torment having this conversation with you.
You are attempting to bade me into some sort of agreement which is very feeble.
How do you know I wind up in eternal torment? Wait, I know. Because I am not a Christian? ...[text shortened]... e it. How do you know judgemental motherfkrs like yourself don't wind up down there with me?
Originally posted by DarfiusWell good for you. According to my faith, judgemental Bible thumpers are the worst of the worst, trapped in the frozen lake of sh1t with Satan and the likes of Hitler, Attila the Hun, etc.
Because I gave allegiance where it's due. And that's not to myself.
Everybody in my Heaven takes big steamy poops on your kind daily. We all laugh and laugh and laugh. Sex is rampant, no diseases, and we all watch the Three Stooges later on.
I like my Heaven better than yours. We've made a big sign on the entrance that says 'Darius is a big poopy face and dances the cha cha like a sissy girl'.
Originally posted by Joe FistI guess it's just too bad we've never heard from your god to confirm that such a place exists.
Well good for you. According to my faith, judgemental Bible thumpers are the worst of the worst, trapped in the frozen lake of sh1t with Satan and the likes of Hitler, Attila the Hun, etc.
Everybody in my Heaven takes big steamy poops on your kind daily. We all laugh and laugh and laugh. Sex is rampant, no diseases, and we all watch the Three Stooges ...[text shortened]... the entrance that says 'Darius is a big poopy face and dances the cha cha like a sissy girl'.
Originally posted by Joe FistYes I am christen and nothing will change that, but, I believe that religions can not co-exist doing this will cause fights and
Thank you Chessteen16. Below is the closest thing that works for me and it is not completely accurate but it serves my purposes.
ag·nos·ti·cism:
1.The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2.The belief that there can be no proof either that ...[text shortened]... acknowledge you do not have the rights to bash what I believe even if you do not agree with it.
Much trouble some wars have been started because of this but that is another thread it just that my dad taught me to go into a conversation
Like this with peace or it could get ugly.
Anyway...
If you die tonight where will
you go?
I mean if you don't believe there is a god what will happen after death?
Originally posted by Chessteen16I'm glad you are a Christian and believe me when I tell you I have no interest in converting you to what I believe.
Yes I am christen and nothing will change that, but, I believe that religions can not co-exist doing this will cause fights and
Much trouble some wars have been started because of this but that is another thread it just that my dad taught me to go into a conversation
Like this with peace or it could get ugly.
Anyway...
If you die tonight where will
you go?
I mean if you don't believe there is a god what will happen after death?
Why can't religions co-exist? We live on a planet with billions of people with all different beliefs right now. Some of these beliefs do cause horrible wars and many innocent people die, you are right. Many however do not and I personally think the reason for that is somewhere perhaps in the warring religious belief there is a struggle for control, most of the time this seems to be for land or power. You and I are having a peaceful conversation right now and we both feel differently.
I personally think the above problem is due to people like Darfius. You see, he sincerely believes in his way of Christianity but his way of it infringes on the belief of others. Darfius wishes to convert people to Christianity but what he fails to understand is people will find their own way in life. You can try to force people to believe what you want them to but you will most likely fail. What if I were to tell you that you are wrong in what you believe and you were going to some horrible, horrible place if you didn't believe what I tell you to? The point is this is what he believes, not knows. I think a religion is something you believe in but you can't really know for certain.
It sounds like your dad is quite a smart guy and a gentleman.
But to answer your question, I don't know where I will go if I were to die tonight. Hopefully, it will be a place of peace. I never meant to imply there is no God. I am just not sure if I believe in the same God you or Darfius believes in. I've had a great deal of experience with Catholicism and Christianity and I just decided neither one are for me. That doesn't mean they are wrong.
It seems that the Christian doctrine of "obey or be punished" is being advertised here. This has to be a human touch; only a human can think that a soul can be bullied into spirituality. God's will of course is ineffable, but when I try to imagine Him I can detect none of this malice and fear, only the love of a perfect Father. I don't think I need to tell you what you can do with your threats.
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Originally posted by thesonofsaulWell written, gets my rec
It seems that the Christian doctrine of "obey or be punished" is being advertised here. This has to be a human touch; only a human can think that a soul can be bullied into spirituality. God's will of course is ineffable, but when I try to imagine Him I can detect none of this malice and fear, only the love of a perfect Father. I don't think I need to tell you what you can do with your threats.
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Originally posted by thesonofsaulWell, a lot of people seem to allow themselves to be bullied into belief and obedience--I won't call that spirituality. And then, out of their own fear, they go out and try to frighten others. All of the major religions seem to have been originally based on hope, not fear (in the conemporary sense at least; for example, the Hebrew word yirah I think means something like "tremulous awe," not fright), but fear is a powerful motivator. Seems that to be unafraid has become a great "sin."
It seems that the Christian doctrine of "obey or be punished" is being advertised here. This has to be a human touch; only a human can think that a soul can be bullied into spirituality. God's will of course is ineffable, but when I try to imagine Him I can detect none of this malice and fear, only the love of a perfect Father. I don't think I need to tell you what you can do with your threats.
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