Originally posted by Great King Rat
[b] But I am not going to get overly distracted with that argument.
Totally get that, man. You wouldn't want to let rock solid logic get in the way of believing in fairy tales. Children don't do that. Terrorists don't that. Senile people don't do that. Why should you?
But if tonight on some dark alley you were hit in the head and had your ...[text shortened]... of logic in order to convince yourself of why it's correct to believe in Bearded Fairytale Man.
Totally get that, man. You wouldn't want to let rock solid logic get in the way of believing in fairy tales. Children don't do that. Terrorists don't that. Senile people don't do that. Why should you?
I would want to save some people time.
God is not real to the sinner because of
real guilt about
real wrongs
REALLY done.
Your sins have made a separation between you and God who loves you. You thought He wasn't there? You thought He didn't see? You thought He didn't hear or notice or record or remember anything about your life ?
Like everybody else:
Not only the action He saw. Even the rational mind scheming and logically planning your sin was as clear as glass.
Nothing is hidden from the eyes of God, nothing either of what was done TO you or what was done BY you. We all are in need of forgiveness.
Wanting God to not exist isn't the answer. Removing of the real insulation by His cleansing allows fellowship, not just objective knowledge but real fellowship with God. He has to remove the guilt. You have to come and agree to have it removed.
This is because there is no circular reasoning going on there. One does not hit someone in the head over a wallet. Period.
That of course is not true.
But you have been cheated probably.
It was stealing though less violent.
And you yourself have cheated others most likely.
Whether violently or not the stain of stealing in upon the character. And the sins of men are an obstacle to having God be real in their hearts. Only God can remove the stain. And He has made provision for that before you were born because He loves you.
"Believe you've committed a crime against God,
The sinner commits crimes against his fellow man. Ultimately all sin is against God. That is why He says:
Judgement is Mine ... I will repay.
God is the last balancing one of the scales of justice.
because that way you can believe in God, so you can see you've committed a crime against God,
You were created with a breaking system called a conscience.
Your conscience told you it was wrong.
The ultimate balancing one of the scales of justice is the Creator and Governor who installed that conscience within man.
He became sin on the cross for us that we could be justified.
He wants us to accept the offer a Substitute.
But He cannot, cannot fail to balance the scales.
He must balance the scales of justice.
His ultimate love and His ultimate righteous judgment meet together on the cross of the Son of God.
because..." is applying an absurd lack of logic in order to convince yourself of why it's correct to believe in Bearded Fairytale Man.
You're adding special effects to force it to seem more absurd.
If you would think about it a bit you would see that you yourself are caught in circular reasoning. Bascially it comes down to something like -
" I am not sinful because I am not sinful because I am not sinful."
But you see your God created conscience will not let you go.
I'll be back latter to discuss.
But when forgiveness is given in our accepting this substitution of Christ dying for us, God becomes real as a moment by moment enjoyment.