Why is Christianity in the US dying

@kellyjay said
You dismiss many things said to you out of hand without ever addressing the ramifications being voiced.

No I don't.

@kellyjay said
The whole thing on either side has reasons when we accept things by definition, where we have declared it so or not just because; therefore, that is not by reason we are not seriously looking at them.

Is this evidence? An argument? Or just background information?

@kellyjay said
Our beginnings show us where we started and fills in what is and isn’t important.

Neither of us know what "our beginnings" were. You have filled this gap with theology.

@kellyjay said
If all we are, are nothing but highly evolved pond scum, or something that squirmed out from underneath a rock; that is totally different than being made in the image of God.

What if we ARE highly evolved pond scum, or something that squirmed out from underneath a rock, and we eventually developed and ideology about ourselves that asserted that we were made in the image of God?

@fmf said
What if we ARE highly evolved pond scum, or something that squirmed out from underneath a rock, and we eventually developed and ideology about ourselves that asserted that we were made in the image of God?

If we are highly evolved pond scum, then nothing resides over us we make our rules as we go, the powerful will rule over the weak and treat them however they want by the might of their power; it will be survival of the fittest which means if you survive that alone is the only thing necessary. Any rule or standard can be put up and taken down at will since they carry no weight except those in power requires; 'fair' is meaningless. Fair would be those who can enforce what they want, nothing more; if those in power decide that the weak and infirmed are using up resources that would be better used to take care of them, that is that. You devalue human life and get rid of God; we can do pretty much whatever we want without hindrance.

Grandma should just be given a pill instead of the hip replacement that costs more.

@kellyjay said
If we are highly evolved pond scum, then nothing resides over us we make our rules as we go, the powerful will rule over the weak and treat them however they want by the might of their power; it will be survival of the fittest which means if you survive that alone is the only thing necessary.

I get that you feel there is injustice in the world, but the existence of that injustice does not mean that there MUST be divine or supernatural posthumous retribution.

@kellyjay said
Fair would be those who can enforce what they want, nothing more; if those in power decide that the weak and infirmed are using up resources that would be better used to take care of them, that is that.

The world isn't fair, I get it. You seem to be coping with that reality by imagining that there is some cosmic justice that is making it all bearable for you.

@kellyjay said
You devalue human life and get rid of God; we can do pretty much whatever we want without hindrance.

I disagree. I do not devalue human life. And it's not true there is "no hindrance".

@kellyjay said
You get rid of God; we can do pretty much whatever we want without hindrance.Grandma should just be given a pill instead of the hip replacement that costs more.

I didn't "get rid of God". And if you are suggesting I am more likely to murder my grandma than you because you think there is "no hindrance" for me to do so because I don't believe in your God figure, don't you believe you can murder your grandma and then repent and go to "Heaven"?

@fmf said
I get that you feel there is injustice in the world, but the existence of that injustice does not mean that there MUST be divine or supernatural posthumous retribution.

You cannot have injustice without something called justice, and if the eyes of the beholder decide the value of all things, where do justice and injustice come from? Laws are changed, cultures all change, values change! Even our money can change; there is talk now of doing away with currency that talk will be getting louder, and soon your money will be electronic, and those in power can take it away by code. The value of anything is set by what we are willing to pay for it; God paid for us with His life by going to the cross, pond scum evolving its no different than the pond it came from in the end.

@kellyjay said
You cannot have injustice without something called justice, and if the eyes of the beholder decide the value of all things, where do justice and injustice come from?

There is justice. The fact that there is injustice does not mean there is no justice. Injustice comes from immoral acts. Justice comes from collective efforts to organize and self-regulate to deal with immorality and injustice.

@kellyjay said
Laws are changed, cultures all change, values change! Even our money can change; there is talk now of doing away with currency that talk will be getting louder, and soon your money will be electronic, and those in power can take it away by code.

This doesn't mean that your God figure is real and how you describe him/it. Laws are changed, cultures all change, values change, yes. So? Yes, money can change, so?

there is talk now of doing away with currency that talk will be getting louder, and soon your money will be electronic, and those in power can take it away by code.

And you think this is evidence that your God figure exists?

@kellyjay said
God paid for us with His life by going to the cross, pond scum evolving its no different than the pond it came from in the end.

I don't think he did.

Do you honestly believe I deserve to be brutalized forever in burning flames after I die simply don't believe the same things as you do?

@fmf said
There is justice. The fact that there is injustice does not mean there is no justice. Injustice comes from immoral acts. Justice comes from collective efforts to organize and self-regulate to deal with immorality and injustice.

By what standard do you think justice comes, to each as they see fit? Is Russia justified by their standards now simply because they think so?

@fmf said
I don't think he did.

Do you honestly believe I deserve to be brutalized forever in burning flames after I die simply don't believe the same things as you do?

That’s the bottom line, what is the truth of history did God create everything or not? I accept that He did, nothing about me adds to or takes away from the truth if I was never born God being the Creator would be true no matter.