Why is Christianity in the US dying

@kellyjay said
Is Russia justified by their standards now simply because they think so?

Not according to my moral compass nor the moral compasses of anyone I know. Do you need to be a Christian to be able to disapprove of or condemn the Russians?

@kellyjay said
By what standard do you think justice comes, to each as they see fit?

You've asked me this many times before and I've answered it every single time. Morality and justice starts in the family, it's found in the community, it's found in the workplace, in schools and places of worship, and in the entire country where there are laws and courts.

@kellyjay said
That’s the bottom line, what is the truth of history did God create everything or not?

I do not know if there is a creator entity. Do you believe I deserve to be tortured forever after I die simply because I do not know?

@kellyjay said
did God create everything or not? I accept that He did, nothing about me adds to or takes away from the truth.

You BELIEVE he did, you do not ACCEPT he did. You BELIEVE he did and I ACCEPT that you believe he did. You may believe it is "the truth" but that is just your subjective opinion. If it were, objectively speaking, "the truth" then both you and I would believe it.

@fmf said
. If it were, objectively speaking, "the truth" then both you and I would believe it.

If I may interject -- there is absolutely no guarantee that a given person will believe something, even when that something is objectively true.

Case in point: flat earthers.

@bigdogg said
If I may interject -- there is absolutely no guarantee that a given person will believe something, even when that something is objectively true.

Case in point: flat earthers.

Fair point.

-Removed-

Yes, those are probably the reason.

@fmf said
You've asked me this many times before and I've answered it every single time. Morality and justice starts in the family, it's found in the community, it's found in the workplace, in schools and places of worship, and in the entire country where there are laws and courts.

So according to your view it is not a fixed thing whatsoever goes because it all has no sure foundation.

@kellyjay said
So according to your view it is not a fixed thing whatsoever goes because it all has no sure foundation.

Stuff changes down through time. Stuff is different across cultures.

@fmf said
Stuff changes down through time. Stuff is different across cultures.

So no one is really wrong or bad or evil or good?

@kellyjay said
So no one is really wrong or bad or evil or good?

If you are unable process what is right and wrong without your religious beliefs, then so be it.

@fmf said
If you are unable process what is right and wrong without your religious beliefs, then so be it.

I believe a standard comes from above us, yours; it seems to be whatever anyone wants, which isn't a standard at all, just a license to do what you will.

@fmf said
You BELIEVE he did, you do not ACCEPT he did. You BELIEVE he did and I ACCEPT that you believe he did. You may believe it is "the truth" but that is just your subjective opinion. If it were, objectively speaking, "the truth" then both you and I would believe it.

It isn't true because you or I believe this or that, we can agree, and that doesn't mean it is true. What is true historically is a fixed event in time, not a matter of human acceptance or not.

@kellyjay said
I believe a standard comes from above us, yours; it seems to be whatever anyone wants, which isn't a standard at all, just a license to do what you will.

If you think your moral compass is based on supernatural revelation, that's OK. Billions of people do.

Moral codes in cultures and societies have evolved due to the necessities of communal living. Individuals' moral compasses interact with these values and norms [and laws attendant thereto].

These cultures and societies more often than not conflated the values that they developed with notions of "divine" will as laid out in their religious literature.

Your hand-waving about "a license to do what you will" is both a strawman and rooted in a lack of understanding of how psychology and anthropology shape the reality out there in the world.

@kellyjay said
What is true historically is a fixed event in time, not a matter of human acceptance or not.

Yes, but what you assert as being supposedly "true" and what supernatural events are supposedly "fixed events in time" are just subjective opinions.