Why is Christianity in the US dying

@sonship said
@vivify

As people become more civilized and educated it's harder to support views like homosexuality being a "sin" or that women need "submit to their husbands in all subjection", or that the world was made in six days 6,000 years ago.

It's that simple.

Ah, much more civilized modern man.
Why we just push a button and millions of people can be in ...[text shortened]... s away. Don't even have to know them.

Great strides in leaving far behind primitive savagery.

"We have guided missiles and misguided politicians."

Martin Luther King Jr.

@moonbus said
I do not know who you mean or think you mean by "we" which for you means that the entire race is "broken". A few bad apples don't spoil the barrel. I do not need fear of eternal punishments not to kill people or steal from them or covet their wives or oxen, and I am not alone in this. I do not see why the whole human race should be judged corrupt because some of its members a ...[text shortened]... h comes from God makes no difference to the people cast into the dungeons and immolated at the pyre.

A couple good points there, Unfortunately all of that is mumbo jumbo in the ears of a church Christian. All they hear is
- they are saved
- they can sin and all sins are forgiven
- they have eternal life
- all other people are doomed

A doomed man has no opinion worth listening to.

@avalanchethecat said
Agree absolutely.

There are people throughout the ages who have done the right thing regardless of any belief in God. and the bible recognizes this fact stating clearly that these people will be judged by God. It is clear that in the end good and righteous people throughout history will see the Kingdom of God.

@fmf said
Why do you believe this simplistic either/or rhetoric?

Because it is that simple.

@sonship said
Ah, much more civilized modern man.
Why we just push a button and millions of people can be incinerated in an instance thouands of miles away. Don't even have to know them.

Great strides in leaving far behind primitive savagery.

The ancient Hebrews you idolize committed genocides over real estate and then wrote religious texts to tell themselves that their God figure had told them to do it. You venerate all that. Are you claiming vivify is venerating C20th genocides?

@fmf said
I am baffled by why torture God Christians don't just claim it is "written in the hearts" of people like me.

Churches dont preach that. They are all about exclusivity, and cannot stand outsiders being relumined by Christ .

@rajk999 said
A couple good points there, Unfortunately all of that is mumbo jumbo in the ears of a church Christian. All they hear is
- they are saved
- they can sin and all sins are forgiven
- they have eternal life
- all other people are doomed

A doomed man has no opinion worth listening to.

The advantage of a simplistic moral system is that

a) it can be made clear even to simpletons, and

b) it applies to a majority of cases which typically arise (such as thou shalt not kill).


The disadvantage of a simplistic moral system is that

c) it leads to injustice if applied blindly in special cases (such as Steinbeck's example in Of Mice And Men), and

d) it leads to mass horror, pogroms, Inquisitions, and gulags when clever people point out c) to simpletons.

@rajk999 said
Doing the right thing, because it is the right thing to do, and not because of God or punishment, is what separates the sheep from the goats.

If you don’t know how to tell what is the right thing it doesn’t matter what anyone calls it, its all the same,

@fmf said
I am baffled by why torture God Christians don't just claim it is "written in the hearts" of people like me.

Our hearts are deceitful.

@fmf said
Your "standard" is just your opinion.

If all of this nothing more than opinions it is a meaningless discussion.

@moonbus said
No, that is not so. This is a false dichotomy, either one absolute the same for everyone in all times and places, or loony subjectivism.

How do you know what is left or right it is due to a fixed point, it is the same for everyone no matter what direction they are looking.

@kellyjay said
Our hearts are deceitful.

Speak for yourself Mr Misanthrope.

@kellyjay said
If all of this nothing more than opinions it is a meaningless discussion.

So is just about every single thing you say about morality.

@kellyjay said
How do you know what is left or right it is due to a fixed point, it is the same for everyone no matter what direction they are looking.

Left and right yes, that is pure geometry and space is the same in all directions; right and wrong no, these vary from culture to culture and age to age. Just look at Ex. 22:18 to see where Middle Eastern culture once was. The Saudis are still stuck in that period, but Europe has moved on since then.

News item from 2012:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18503550

@moonbus said
Left and right yes, that is pure geometry and space is the same in all directions; right and wrong no, these vary from culture to culture and age to age. Just look at Ex. 22:18 to see where Middle Eastern culture once was. The Saudis are still stuck in that period, but Europe has moved on since then.

News item from 2012:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18503550

My point right left up down these are established by fixed points with out those none of them exist. Justice is nothing without an established set of rules. If you truly believed that I am wrong about this why try and convince me? Is it because I should know better which means not every morality is equal?