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-Removed-Anyone who twists the bible to such an extent that they conclude that people are tortured for all eternity is truly a sick person. The bible contains weeping, gnashing of teeth, pain and suffering for evil people and eventual destruction. It does not state eternal torture for people. Eternal torture is reserved for three beings, the Beast, The False Prophet and Satan.
Originally posted by @rajk999And those "who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
It [the Bible] does not state eternal torture for people. Eternal torture is reserved for three beings, the Beast, The False Prophet and Satan.
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." -- Revelation 14:11, KJV
-Removed-And yet, there exists the belief in eternal pain and suffering at the hands of God. Why? We can build a list of reasons:
1. The need for cosmic justice, to counter the notion that bad guys can get away with terrible acts.
2 The need for a completely reliable, undoubtable source of truth, even when that source of truth speaks of the eternal punishment being real.
3. Justification for torture by humans on humans, in the pursuit of noble goals.
4. An explanation for natural disasters as instances of God’s wrath upon his creatures and warnings that He is indeed capable of wreaking further terrible vengeance for transgressions. The God of the OT is still God.
5. A justification of the withholding of familial merciful love; a justification of patriarchal human rule, as modeled on a divine, stern father figure.
6. A model for the unlimited scope of control by a state over its subjects that incorporates theocratic principles into its founding documents.
7. A justifying example of having “everything on the table” in international crises.
8. Fear of the unknown chaos that would come if this underpinning of western civilization was pulled out.
Originally posted by @rajk999Why just them and why is that OK?
Anyone who twists the bible to such an extent that they conclude that people are tortured for all eternity is truly a sick person. The bible contains weeping, gnashing of teeth, pain and suffering for evil people and eventual destruction. It does not state eternal torture for people. Eternal torture is reserved for three beings, the Beast, The False Prophet and Satan.
Hmm?
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Originally posted by @rajk999Suzy................he's all yours baby!
Its the reason why Paul told women to shut up. They are irrational and driven by emotion and unnatural loyalties. Its the reason why a mother will look at her murderous son and proclaim that his is a good boy, just misunderstood.
I'll just kindly step aside and enjoy the fireworks and munch on some popcorn.
Thanks in advance.
-Removed-Very well, thought out OP.
I agree 100%.
There's NO way that Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified, just to send millions to an eternal hell. The parts of the Bible that may speak about this are wrong and/or interpreted incorrectly.
Again: the beating and crucifixion of Jesus was too big of an event to have such an awful outcome.
Originally posted by @chaney3What He went through was so that He could become sin for our salvation, what He went through was what it took to save us. If the Son of God had to suffer so that we can saved what do you think is going to happen to those without His grace when they die in their sins, waisting His grace? When He says “Depart from me...”
Very well, thought out OP.
I agree 100%.
There's NO way that Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified, just to send millions to an eternal hell. The parts of the Bible that may speak about this are wrong and/or interpreted incorrectly.
Again: the beating and crucifixion of Jesus was too big of an event to have such an awful outcome.