14 Oct '10 17:19Originally posted by trev33I agree. But that is from our atheist perspective. I was interested in the theist perspective, how do they explain this phenomenon?
people are weak and need to believe in something to help them through life, some feel a god/s are looking after them while others find different means. so basically to answer your question, their 'god' didn't chose them they choose their god/s.
14 Oct '10 17:20Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo long as I can gate-crash I'm happy!
Dear WG59:
God is an eternal optimist. He created everyone with their name IN the Book of Life's, not out of it. Not only is everyone invited to the after-hours party, some attend without even so much as their approval! For those who consciously decided, however, only those who openly and willfully reject the invitation end up outside the gates.
Hurry! Time's running out!
14 Oct '10 17:24Originally posted by KellyJaySorry KJ. We are NOT all called. That is the point of this thread!!
We are all called, some answer with a yes, others a no.
Kelly
14 Oct '10 17:27Originally posted by divegeesterThanks. I didnt want this thread to be another battle. I'm not gonna argue with anyone who gives an answer (obviously that answer will be personal) Just interested in the reasoning of others.
Ok, ok I was palming your question off, and it is good one.
The Bible (pertinent to my belief) talks about 'called' AND 'chosen' saying many are called but FEW are chosen. My personal standpoint on this is that the MANY are ALLof us, i.e. being given a choice based on a calling; however some are "chosen" they (in some way) have no choice, they are p ...[text shortened]... ntal to the related issues of God's sovereignty and predestination. Interesting, indeed.
14 Oct '10 21:521 editOriginally posted by wolfgang59===============================
Why do you think your god(s) allowed you to be a believer and why did he/they choose to not pursuade others? Why are you special?
14 Oct '10 23:21Originally posted by jaywilldo you not think that the scriptures outline various reasons Jaywill, lets be honest? unbelievers are said to be blinded for example 2nd Corinthians 4:4, in darkness mentally? Ephesians 4:17-19 Its even states that it is inexcusable, Romans 1:20
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Why do you think your god(s) allowed you to be a believer and why did he/they choose to not pursuade others? Why are you special?
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This is a question which haunts the Christian evangelist. And because he realizes on ever encreasing level that he cannot account for WHY God ha ...[text shortened]... And because I cannot account for it, I am driven to see OTHERS saved too.
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15 Oct '10 00:006 editsOriginally posted by jaywillWhile your humility is truly admirable Jaywill and your sincerity genuine, in truth it seems a little Calvanistic to believe that some are predestined for salvation and others are not, don't you think? (not that that is of course what you are saying), in fact, it goes against all inclinations that God is not partial and that in every nation the man that works righteousness is acceptable to him. Acts 10:34,35 i really think we should be honest with Wolfgang and try to explain to him with respect, why the scriptures state that a person, for whatever reason (and there are many) does not accept the Christ.
15 Oct '10 00:18Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell said!
While your humility is truly admirable Jaywill and your sincerity genuine, in truth it seems a little Calvanistic to believe that some are predetermined for salvation and others are not, don't you think? (not that that is of course what you are saying), infact, it goes against all inclinations that God is not partial and that in every nation the man ...[text shortened]... Not that you are of course righteous, just that you want to be. Any objections are welcome.
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15 Oct '10 01:26Originally posted by wolfgang59The way has been made for everyone, you can deny God in your life if you wish.
Sorry KJ. We are NOT all called. That is the point of this thread!!
Something perhaps more concrete:
Why did god need missionaries to Africa and America? Why not send his message to them too? Why not contact me? (phone, e-mail or fax)
Why you? (Q for theists)
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