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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou said “atheists choose to worship only themselves”. So I now take what you say as implying that I, and all atheists, “give devotion” to ourselves to the extent of that being “worship” which is rubbish. How would not believing that there is a god cause one to care much more about oneself? Where did you get that from?
well it be be construed that anything you give devotion to is an act of worship, after all, thats what worship means, is it not?
I have often cared for others -I personally have done charity work and I also have done some professional care work for adults with disabilities. I for one have not shown any sign of being any more selfish than the average person, and why would you not expect that just because I am an atheist?
I do NOT "worship" myself and neither does any atheist.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Yea you are, the real question is what is between you and God that you'd allow
Sorry KJ. We are NOT all called. That is the point of this thread!!
Something perhaps more concrete:
Why did god need missionaries to Africa and America? Why not send his message to them too? Why not contact me? (phone, e-mail or fax)
yourself to be where you are, which is away from Him. It is who so ever will come
He will not turn away, so the question is what is it between you and God that
you prefer to be away from Him?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWe're really not you know.
Yea you are, the real question is what is between you and God that you'd allow
yourself to be where you are, which is away from Him. It is who so ever will come
He will not turn away, so the question is what is it between you and God that
you prefer to be away from Him?
Kelly
Perhaps the real question is how you are able to convince yourself that your experience of reality is the same as everyone else's.
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonummm i did not say that atheists worship themselves, you are confusing me with someone else but i shall not hold it against you, i merely wished to state that anything anyone is giving undue devotion and attention to may be regarded as an act of worship in certain circumstances, for that's what worship means, thus we speak in terms of persons 'worshipping', money, or people giving adoration to sports stars, etc etc etc.
You said “atheists choose to worship only themselves”. So I now take what you say as implying that I, and all atheists, “give devotion” to ourselves to the extent of that being “worship” which is rubbish. How would not believing that there is a god cause one to care much more about oneself? Where did you get that from?
I have often cared for othe ...[text shortened]... that just because I am an atheist?
I do NOT "worship" myself and neither does any atheist.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Christ (God) does indeed choose His followers, but those followers can reject Him. So it's not a question of being "allowed" to be a believer--the question is, if you hear the Word, do you choose to follow Him or not? That's the individual's choice.
Why do you think your god(s) allowed you to be a believer and why did he/they choose to not pursuade others? Why are you special?
Originally posted by karoly aczelIn the west, you find people embracing Buddhism for many reasons, and you get one category of people who consider themselves intellectual, and they become attached to the mind bending one hand clapping, talking and thinking.
"A person who likes mind bending games will become a Bhuddist."
Lol!! Are you serious. You ever met an ordained monk? I would've called them "airheads" before I would say they like mind bending games.
I think you mean people who talk about Bhuddism. Not Bhuddists.
Edit: And we are both generalising too much.
Sorry wolfgang, I cant help you with your question. Either we are all special or no one is.
Then you get others who like the peaceful atmosphere of the temple, and meditating.
Neo Buddhism is not the same as it was, thousands of yrs ago, and it has degenerated, and you will find many Buddhist who eat meat, even when it is their main teaching to abstain from that.
Don,t think that when you see shaven headed monks in saffron, that they are self realized, because to be self realized, one has to be God realized at the same time, and Buddhists reject God. (so they are realized in nothing)
Buddhism today has become Westernized and corrupted.
Originally posted by vishvahetuI talk from experience when I mention ordained monks and I can assure you I found them to be of an exempelary manner/nature. Vegetarians and funny to boot!
In the west, you find people embracing Buddhism for many reasons, and you get one category of people who consider themselves intellectual, and they become attached to the mind bending one hand clapping, talking and thinking.
Then you get others who like the peaceful atmosphere of the temple, and meditating.
Neo Buddhism is not the same as it was, tho ...[text shortened]... God. (so they are realized in nothing)
Buddhism today has become Westernized and corrupted.
Originally posted by karoly aczelYes they are sworn to non-violence and meditation, and this alone gives the impression of nirvana and bliss, but they negate God, which alone defeats their endeavor.
I talk from experience when I mention ordained monks and I can assure you I found them to be of an exempelary manner/nature. Vegetarians and funny to boot!
Originally posted by vishvahetuAgain, I dont know which monks you are referring to, I but dont think these guys knew much about "negating God".
Yes they are sworn to non-violence and meditation, and this alone gives the impression of nirvana and bliss, but they negate God, which alone defeats their endeavor.