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A. The Christian church has been involved in NO corruption, ever in history?
B. The Christian church has been involved in SOME corruption in history from which Christians should come OUT of ?
Time for you to take a position, since you want to hold me to talking about Satanic organization and such juicy things.
TAKE A POSITION! WHICH?
Is B your position? Yes or No?
I didn't ask you if you believe in spiritual beings - God or the Devil.
I simply ask you if by your measuring stick the Christian church has ever gone astray from its original "charter" so to speak or intended character.
I don't expect an Atheist to know much about spiritual warfare.
So, do you stand more for B. ?
@sonship saidThis is how I see what it is you are peddling. Almost all of Christendom is "Satanic" because of imperfection [the existence of "some corruption", as you put it, and some degree of "going astray"] rather than for theological/doctrinal reasons.
I simply ask you if by your measuring stick the Christian church has ever gone astray from its original "charter" so to speak or intended character.
Meanwhile, your group is not "Satanic" [and all its members are becoming "mass-produced duplicates of Christ", as you put it].
And so, the writings of Witness Lee - the ones you say all Christians who are not in your group must run out and buy if they are to be "saved" when the "rapture" comes - are about "some corruption" in all churches except your own.
I get the picture.
It's interesting how no Christians here from supposedly "Satanic" organizations, like whodey, Eladar, Suzianne, KellyJay and SecondSon [and others] apparently accept this, judging by their ~ for the most part ~ lack of interest in discussing anything related to this with you.
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@sonship saidIf there are people here who think I am lying about you, then that's OK. I didn't refer to people as "we".
@FMF"We"?
YOU used the phrase " people."If people think I am lying about what you said, I am OK with that. I don't mind.
We, as in some people here.
Some people here know you don't mind if sometimes you lie or readers can sometimes perceive it.
This is how I see what it is you are peddling. Almost all of Christendom is "Satanic" because of imperfection [the existence of "some corruption", as you put it, and some degree of "going astray"] rather than for theological/doctrinal reasons.
The funny thing is that of the several solidly Christian brothers and sisters here, I don't see them objecting to me treating them unfairly.
How come all this objection to being intolerant comes from atheists and Unitarians ?
I don't see crying foul from most of the unambiguously disciple of Jesus here. I see most of the protest coming from Atheists.
Meanwhile, your group is not "Satanic" [and all its members are becoming "mass-produced duplicates of Christ", as you put it].
Forget about "satanic" organization for the moment. I asked you to take a position if the Christian church has ever been corrupted according to what seems originally intended for it.
I wager that you are going to shift the goal post around so that you never have to commit to what the original design for the Christian church was. That's probably your escape route.
And so, the writings of Witness Lee - the ones you say all Christians who are not in your group must run out and buy if they are to be "saved" when the "rapture" comes - are about "some corruption" in all churches except your own.
Fella, if you're waiting for me to apologize for saying these books are valuable and under appreciated, please don't hold your breath.
They will be in demand soon.
I didn't say ONLY Lee's ministry would be so.
I get the picture.
Of course you "get the picture" of your twisted and warped accusative mind.
It's interesting how no Christians here from supposedly "Satanic" organizations, like whodey, Eladar, Suzianne, KellyJay and SecondSon [and others] apparently accept this, judging by their ~ for the most part ~ lack of interest in discussing anything related to this with you.
LOL! I don't see them howling at me for being considered second class.
All the hollering about tolerance is coming from - Atheists.
Go figure.
@sonship saidWhy are they basically ignoring you? Are they your audience?
It's interesting how no Christians here from supposedly "Satanic" organizations, like whodey, Eladar, Suzianne, KellyJay and SecondSon [and others] apparently accept this, judging by their ~ for the most part ~ lack of interest in discussing anything related to this with you.
LOL! I don't see them howling at me for being considered second class.
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@sonship saidHow will the publisher attached to your cult publicize the existence of the books among the almost 2 billion Christians who you say are members of "Satanic" organizations? How many copies of the Witness Lee books are they going to print?
Fella, if you're waiting for me to apologize for saying these books are valuable and under appreciated, please don't hold your breath.
They will be in demand soon.
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@sonship saidWhat have the other "disciples of Jesus here" said about the suggestion that their churches are "Satanic"? Do they share your view of their churches? If they are silent with regard to your condemnation, how do you interpret that silence?
I don't see crying foul from most of the unambiguously disciple of Jesus here.
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How will the publisher attached to your cult ...?
Up to this word your question is an accusation that I need not concur with by replying.
publicize the existence of the books among the almost 2 billion Christians who you say are members of "Satanic" organizations?
Quote the phrase "Satanic organizations" [plural] in any publication we have been discussing on this website.
And you can skip the explanation that you don't care if people here think you lie.
When you get the quote of "Satanic organizations" [plural], then you can explain something else.
Under what circumstances to you think people may be clamoring to go back and see what YOU, an atheist with posts, blogs, arguments contain such precious truths which will be vindicated?
Let me say that if I err, I don't err as much as predicting YOUR atheism won't suddenly become a highly valued wisdom. I wager messages like those Witness Lee spoke are liable to be far, far more in demand then the agnostic / atheist / (part time) deist fog you've been publishing.
How many copies of the Witness Lee books are they going to print?
Woe ! What a knock down utterly powerful question !!
Poor atheist - scrapping the bottom of his skeptical barrel.
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What have they said to you about your insistence that their churches are "Satanic"?
The ISMS of ProtestantISM, CatholicISM, JudaISM or the fallen recovered churchISM, is more what is warned about has systems too influenced by the enemy of God.
Think of it this way. You know that story of Hanzel and Gretel. They were lost in the woods and captured by the witch. Being captured didn't mean that Hanzel and Gretel were evil witches. It only means that they were captured, held, lost under the influence of the witch.
And because you are thick you still cannot grasp the meaning of the voice from Heaven calling in the end times to the saints of God - Come out of her My people. That, as Israel was captured in Babylon away from their promised land, in parallel the Holy Spirit informs that the Church is captured away into a polluted and corrupted ISM or ANITY mixed with the leaven of sin and hypocrisy and heretical teachings.
Again, it is curious to me that for the greater part the LOUDEST protests here against this exegesis is NOT coming from Christian brothers and sisters here, but from Atheists and Unitarians.
Curious.